The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

[Hannibal 5,814]

Watching him crash packs fills me with massive joy and pride given then knowitalls who think he doesn't know how. Of COURSE he doesn't. He's a twig. Anyone on here who played, is over 6 feet tall, and took ages to fill out, know what I'm talking about. Once you get weight on him he'll be EVERYWHERE on the football ground. And to make my point even more? Neeld said exactly that in the presser. Comparing him to Hurley on the day, who is a sensationally aggressive player, and one of my favourites outside the dees... you could see very clearly why Jack went ahead of him. Hurley's played games like that in defence, certainly in terms of crashing packs, but his kicking has never been as good as Jack's, and likely never will.

"Crashing packs" ? I don't think I've once read on Demonland where anyone has stated that they expect Watts to "crash packs". Why do posters make stuff up ?

The good - seeing recent top 20 picks in Trengove, Watts, Grimes, Morton, Tapscott and Blease contribute to the win. I'll be delirious when Gysberts and Strauss join them, which by my reckoning has never happened.

The bad - Jetta's acting skills.

The ugly - David King coming to a definitive conclusion that a 9 game old coach was a mistaken appointment. We won't know either way for at least another year.

[hardtack 10,626]

"Crashing packs" ? I don't think I've once read on Demonland where anyone has stated that they expect Watts to "crash packs". Why do posters make stuff up ?

Actually, I think you will find more than one poster was vocal over the fact Watts failed to crash the pack when he stood back from a marking contest against Carlton on our forward line at a fairly crucial time in the game.

[Hannibal 5,814]

Actually, I think you will find more than one poster was vocal over the fact Watts failed to crash the pack when he stood back from a marking contest against Carlton on our forward line at a fairly crucial time in the game.

He needed to compete.

[hardtack 10,626]

He needed to compete.

I understand that B-H... I was merely pointing out that your statement about posters "making stuff up", was not entirely correct.

[Hip & Shoulder 64]

Anyone see the Ess player that stuck his leg out to trip the Dee player. Can't recall who it was but worthy of a free and a report. A very dangerous action.

I thought the same thing. And I can't remember who it was, either.

[Hannibal 5,814]

I understand that B-H... I was merely pointing out that your statement about posters "making stuff up", was not entirely correct.

Asking a player to compete, contest, or 'go when it's their turn' isn't asking them to "crash packs". It's not asking them to play beyond their present means, or to do things they're not built to.

I stand by my comments. But of course I welcome any quotes you can provide to disprove me.

[drdrake 3,186]

The good - seeing recent top 20 picks in Trengove, Watts, Grimes, Morton, Tapscott and Blease contribute to the win. I'll be delirious when Gysberts and Strauss join them, which by my reckoning has never happened.

Agree with this, something that needs to be continually highlighted, we have had a number of early picks over 2007-2010 but rarely have we seen them play together and even more so play well together.

[hardtack 10,626]

Asking a player to compete, contest, or 'go when it's their turn' isn't asking them to "crash packs". It's not asking them to play beyond their present means, or to do things they're not built to.

I stand by my comments. But of course I welcome any quotes you can provide to disprove me.

Since you insist:

Undeterred, page 8 of the Carlton gameday thread: "Weak again Watts. At least smash a pack." after he stood back from the marking contest.

I couldn't be bothered searching all related threads... but this is one instance.

And in case you were thinking of saying, "but that's just one instance, hardly conclusive", don't forget it was you who said "I don't think I've once read on Demonland where anyone has stated that they expect Watts to "crash packs". Why do posters make stuff up ?"

Edited June 4, 2012 by hardtack

[Hannibal 5,814]

Since you insist:

Undeterred, page 8 of the Carlton gameday thread: "Weak again Watts. At least smash a pack." after he stood back from the marking contest.

I couldn't be bothered searching all related threads... but this is one instance.

And in case you were thinking of saying, "but that's just one instance, hardly conclusive", don't forget it was you who said "I don't think I've once read on Demonland where anyone has stated that they expect Watts to "crash packs". Why do posters make stuff up ?"

Well done ! I hadn't read it. And of course it's quite possible that Dapper hadn't either.

But the point remains, there's a theme on here that suggests that Watts isn't the crash and bash type that people expect, when in reality 99.9% of posters don't expect him to be and haven't suggested otherwise. It's a self-serving argument by those that don't understand why Watts' efforts have often been criticised, so they revert to the "Watts will never be a crash and bash type" puerile argument. It's a knee-jerk response by shallow thinkers.

[The Reverend 1,736]

Since you insist:

Undeterred, page 8 of the Carlton gameday thread: "Weak again Watts. At least smash a pack." after he stood back from the marking contest.

I couldn't be bothered searching all related threads... but this is one instance.

And in case you were thinking of saying, "but that's just one instance, hardly conclusive", don't forget it was you who said "I don't think I've once read on Demonland where anyone has stated that they expect Watts to "crash packs". Why do posters make stuff up ?"

Geez it must be important to be right.

[hardtack 10,626]

Geez it must be important to be right.

Not at all... the request was made and I was happy to oblige.

[Longsufferingnomore 1,637]

I thought the same thing. And I can't remember who it was, either.

We saw it on the replay and couldnt believe it wasnt free kicked and subsequently reported. I think it was Courtney Dempsey but not100%. Will have to watch the replay - again.....It was the same action exactly.

[Go the Biff 3,440]

We saw it on the replay and couldnt believe it wasnt free kicked and subsequently reported. I think it was Courtney Dempsey but not100%. Will have to watch the replay - again.....It was the same action exactly.

Think it was Paddy Ryder

[daisycutter 29,728]

The Ugly

The umpire for taking the mark off Garlo after he flicked off his opponent to the ground in the last quarter

did everyone else feel that he just fairly stood his ground?

[jnrmac 20,180]

It was Ryder on Nicholson. Should be a three week penalty. One of the most dangerous things you can do on a footy filed. As for Dustin FLetcher he should be banned for life after dropping the knees into Blease. About the 368th time he has done something like that. I don't buy the Saint Dustin label - he's a dirty player.

[hardtack 10,626]

The Ugly

The umpire for taking the mark off Garlo after he flicked off his opponent to the ground in the last quarter

did everyone else feel that he just fairly stood his ground?

Well, as soon as I saw it I thought the free would go against Col as it certainly appeared he had slung his opponent out of the way.

[Nasher 33,617]

To be fair to B-H, I don't think quoting Freak is the best way to drill home... well, any valid or relevant point at all, really.

[titan_uranus 25,043]

The Ugly: this from the MRP today on Jetta:

"The panel said that while Jetta's actions were exaggerated, it was their view they were not excessive in nature and he did not feign illegal contact."

Watch this and tell me how this is not 'excessive in nature':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJKswfpvLt0