Couch is not up to AFL standard. If he is the yard stick in regards to fringe/Casey player then the club should have gone harder for inside midfielders. In racing terms he is a 'plodder' without the pace to get near the front.

Updated.

There are 6 vacancies with Evans and Nicho to come up from what I have heard from more than one source. See if that pans out soon.

If it does we will have 4 vacancies for ND4, ND49, ND53, and ND70/PSD3. ND73 and ND74 are there for more deletions/contract hold outs.

So if we want to use our 3rd pick in the pre-season draft, and still use all our draft picks up to and including ND74, we have to de-list at least 3 more players. Or Rookie list them. Is that correct? Of the players OOC, possibly Macdonald, Davis, and Bartram (if knee is chronic).

rpfc i think your assumption of 40 +6 is wrong

My reading is that it between 38 +6 and 40 + 4. In other words a total of 44 either way

My suspicion is they will go 40 + 4 and opt for more mature-agers from the state leagues rather than 6 rookies

You're right. I changed my numbers accordingly a few weeks ago but forgot to change that sentence. Will do so now.

There are 3 list lodgements - one on Oct 31 where clubs must make enough room for three picks at the ND, one on Nov 15 for clubs that need to make more deletions in case of any Delisted FA signings, and one after the draft and a second DFA period on the Nov 29.

We have space for ND4, ND49, ND53, ND70/PSD3, and the upgrading of two rookies.

I expect that there are still a few question marks over a few players heads as we head toward that second list lodgement. An important fortnight for: Sellar, Jetta, MacDonald, Batram, Bail, Spencer and Davis.

All are still OOC and with PSD3/ND70, ND73, ND74, and possible Delisted FAs looming above them.

I can see them all staying or all the way up to only Spencer and Bail...

We will see, but I have an inkling that we are not done yet...

We will see, but I have an inkling that we are not done yet...

I'll be surprised if there's any further delists.

I'll be surprised if there's any further delists.

I wouldn't be. It may depend on the conditioning of the boys when they return to train, what is available in the delisted FA players I would say.

id be disapointed to see any of Barty, MacDonald or Jetta go.

I think you could find players with Bail's traits in any of the state leagues

Bartram and spencer are the ones IMO who might miss contract renewal.

Barty because of his knee problems if the latest therapy doesn't work.

Pencil to stay only if Gawn doesn't come up.

Edited October 29, 201212 yr by Chippy

Bartram and spencer are the ones IMO who might miss contract renewal.

Barty because of his knee problems if the latest therapy doesn't work.

Pencil to stay only if Gawn doesn't come up.

With Martin gone the next in line for 1st ruck is Spencer and Gawn with no-one behind them.

Spencer will stay.

With Martin gone the next in line for 1st ruck is Spencer and Gawn with no-one behind them.

Spencer will stay.

What about Fitzpatrick?

Provided all can stay healthy, I think our ruck stocks are:

1. Jamar

2. Gawn

3. Spencer

4. Fitzpatrick

I wouldn't be surprised to see Spencer go, although I would delist Davis and Jetta ahead of him.

What about Fitzpatrick?

Provided all can stay healthy, I think our ruck stocks are:

1. Jamar

2. Gawn

3. Spencer

4. Fitzpatrick

I wouldn't be surprised to see Spencer go, although I would delist Davis and Jetta ahead of him.

Gawn is not ahead of Spencer. And Fitz is so slight...

I would be very surprised to see Spencer go. He is the only one ready to go if Jamar is injured. Throwing the other two into the AFL would be unfair on them.

Gawn is not ahead of Spencer. And Fitz is so slight...

I would be very surprised to see Spencer go. He is the only one ready to go if Jamar is injured. Throwing the other two into the AFL would be unfair on them.

From what I have seen of Gawn (his 4 AFL games), he is a better player than Spencer IMO. I don't think any of Fitz/Gawn/Spencer are good enough to be a #1 ruck yet, so let's pray that Jamar doesn't go down in 2013.

Sylvia UFA next year? Guess that means his about to have his breakout season...

Hey Olisk : Just what are you implyng about our greatest potential star ! Are you suggesting he will deliver on that potential to ensure another contract? Gee if that is so maybe we keep giving him good ie well paid one year contracts to the end of his careeer

From what I have seen of Gawn (his 4 AFL games), he is a better player than Spencer IMO. I don't think any of Fitz/Gawn/Spencer are good enough to be a #1 ruck yet, so let's pray that Jamar doesn't go down in 2013.

Spencer is more equipped to deal with AFL in 2013 than Gawn, who I agree is a better player. I don't think Fitxpatrick will ever be able to hold down 1st ruck with his frame.

I wouldn't be. It may depend on the conditioning of the boys when they return to train, what is available in the delisted FA players I would say.

Who do you reckon might turn up out of shape and be vulnerable?

Who do you reckon might turn up out of shape and be vulnerable?

Who do we still have that wants out?

With Martin gone the next in line for 1st ruck is Spencer and Gawn with no-one behind them.

Spencer will stay.

Hope not. He's nothing more than a witches hat out on the ground. The change to the ruck rules won't be advantageous to Spencer.

Hope not. He's nothing more than a witches hat out on the ground. The change to the ruck rules won't be advantageous to Spencer.

He is a depth plaeyr in 2013 and no more.

I don't care to talk much about depth players. Doesn't mean you don't need them but...

THE CONTRACTS THREAD

2016

Dawes

2015

Clark, Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA***), McKenzie, Howe, Jones (RFA), Hogan, Viney

2014

Frawley, Tapscott, McDonald, Blease, Strauss, Spencer, Bail, Byrnes, Barry, Pedersen

2013

Watts, Sylvia (UFA), Davey (RFA), Gysberts, Morton, Grimes, Taggert, Gawn, Martin, Tynan, Fitzpatrick, Rodan

2012

OOC (in number order)

Batram, Bennell, Petterd, Cook, Jurrah, MacDonald, Jetta, Davis, Sellar

Rookies (upgrade or delist)

Nicholson ®, Evans ®, Lawrence ®

Rookies (1 year option)

Couch, Magner, Sheahan, Williams

RFA

Moloney

UFA

Green, Rivers, Bate, and Dunn.

Primary List Vacancies: 6

Rookie List Vacancies: 0

IN: Viney (ND26), Hogan, Barry, Byrnes (FA), Dawes, Rodan, Pedersen

ND4, ND49, ND,53, ND70, ND73, ND74

PSD3

OUT: Green, Moloney, Jurrah, Lawrence ®, Rivers, Gysberts, Morton, Martin, Bennell, Petterd, Cook, Bate, Sheahan ®, Williams ®

*On assumption that there will be 40 on the Primary List (with Veterans List being abolished) and 6 on the Rookie List.

**On assumption Hogan is not one of the 40 for 2013.

***If in top 25% of earners at club.

Updated.

As per a recent AFL.com piece - Dunn and MacDonald are in negotiations.

That leaves Davis, Batram, Jetta, and Sellar as the last 4 OOC.

Edited October 30, 201212 yr by rpfc

Updated.

As per a recent AFL.com piece - Dunn and MacDonald are in negotiations.

That leaves Davis, Batram, Jetta, and Sellar as the last 4 OOC.

Yes, nice work thanks - and the 4 Rookies to be re-contracted too

It's Bartram btw - he needs Trengroves (sic) often inserted extra r

Hang on, I've lost track.

Is that 6 vacanies, to be filled including those out of contract, or excluding?

Ie, those last 4 have to go, if we are going to use say 3 ND picks and 1 PSD pick?

Or do we have 6 extras to include, even if we recontract all 4 of them?

THE CONTRACTS THREAD

2016

Dawes

2015

Clark, Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA***), McKenzie, Howe, Jones (RFA), Hogan, Viney

2014

Frawley, Tapscott, McDonald, Blease, Strauss, Spencer, Bail, Byrnes, Barry, Pedersen

2013

Watts, Sylvia (UFA), Davey (RFA), Gysberts, Morton, Grimes, Taggert, Gawn, Martin, Tynan, Fitzpatrick, Nicholson, Evans, Rodan

2012

OOC (in number order)

Bartram, Bennell, Petterd, Cook, Jurrah, MacDonald, Jetta, Davis, Sellar

Rookies (upgrade or delist)

Lawrence ®

Rookies (1 year option)

Couch, Magner, Sheahan, Williams

RFA

Moloney

UFA

Green, Rivers, Bate, and Dunn.

Primary List Vacancies: 4

Rookie List Vacancies: 2

IN: Viney (ND26), Hogan, Barry, Byrnes (FA), Dawes, Rodan, Pedersen

ND4, ND49, ND,53, ND70, ND73, ND74

PSD3

OUT: Green, Moloney, Jurrah, Lawrence ®, Rivers, Gysberts, Morton, Martin, Bennell, Petterd, Cook, Bate, Sheahan ®, Williams ®

*On assumption that there will be 40 on the Primary List (with Veterans List being abolished) and 6 on the Rookie List.

**On assumption Hogan is not one of the 40 for 2013.

***If in top 25% of earners at club.

Updated.

4 vacancies on PL and 2 on RL.

Updated.

4 vacancies on PL and 2 on RL.

Do you think there will be any further delistings? Or will it remain 4 and 2?

THE CONTRACTS THREAD

2016

Dawes

2015

Clark, Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA***), McKenzie, Howe, Jones (RFA), Hogan, Viney

2014

Frawley, Tapscott, McDonald, Blease, Strauss, Spencer, Bail, Byrnes, Barry, Pedersen

2013

Watts, Sylvia (UFA), Davey (RFA), Gysberts, Morton, Grimes, Taggert, Gawn, Martin, Tynan, Fitzpatrick, Nicholson, Evans, Rodan, Gillies

2012

OOC (in number order)

Bartram, Bennell, Petterd, Cook, Jurrah, MacDonald, Jetta, Davis, Sellar

Rookies (upgrade or delist)

Lawrence ®

Rookies (1 year option)

Couch, Magner, Sheahan, Williams

RFA

Moloney

UFA

Green, Rivers, Bate, and Dunn.

Primary List Vacancies: 3

Rookie List Vacancies: 2

IN: Viney (ND26), Hogan, Barry, Byrnes (FA), Dawes, Rodan, Pedersen, Gillies

ND4, ND49, ND,53, ND70, ND73, ND74

PSD3

OUT: Green, Moloney, Jurrah, Lawrence ®, Rivers, Gysberts, Morton, Martin, Bennell, Petterd, Cook, Bate, Sheahan ®, Williams ®

*On assumption that there will be 40 on the Primary List (with Veterans List being abolished) and 6 on the Rookie List.

**On assumption Hogan is not one of the 40 for 2013.

***If in top 25% of earners at club.

Gillies added. I have him and Rodan on one year deals - let me know if otherwise.

Down to three vacancies.

I can still see a couple possible delistings, but we will see.

Jetta has not really set the world on fire, he would have to be being considered to be dropped. and macdonald while serviceable could be redundant with Gillies arriving. I would think how they conduct themselves at training in the next week or so will have a big bearing on their future.