Malthouse....the conundrum

[Seinfeld 40]

Considering Garry Lyon confirmed tonight that we made a offer to Clarkson a few weeks ago, then i can only assume that there is NO chance of any deal between MM and the Dees.

[mrtwister 652]

The clubs have spoken on the quiet to major journos and said.. look. When the GF is over we'll give you the word and you can let fly with your typewriters. Dont tow the line and youll get very little for some time.

Not sure about this part BB. Although I believe that if MM is coming it would all have been already negotiated, I wouldn't think the clubs would trust ANYONE outside the negotiating heavyweights. No secretaries, no note takers, minute writers, brother's wife's girlfiend's father's horse's strapper. NOBODY. Otherwise, we'd know about it.

RL didn't even let his management know about his intentions, even after StK were out of the season.

[rpfc 28,271]

Considering Garry Lyon confirmed tonight that we made a offer to Clarkson a few weeks ago, then i can only assume that there is NO chance of any deal between MM and the Dees.

Yes and Mark Harvey was happily humming the "I have a secure job with good pay" song only yesterday morning over his cornflakes...

It's an Adele song...

It isn't a real song. If you googled that song, you have issues. If you bought that song on iTunes, I stand corrected...

[Debamboozle 11]

Considering Garry Lyon confirmed tonight that we made a offer to Clarkson a few weeks ago, then i can only assume that there is NO chance of any deal between MM and the Dees.

Don't be so sure.

I posted this in the Burns/Craig topic so pardon the repeat.

GL was very excited to break the news about RL to Freo.

Was also very calm with the inevitable Melbourne coaching & RL questions arose.

I particularly liked the bit about "We never approached or offered a contract to RL. Blah, blah respect whilst team in finals. We 'enquired' with his management that if he was not going to coach STK we would like to chat." To casual by half.

The media do not know a thing that is happening down at Melb because we have the new best in business as our head ATM. Tight ship at Melbourne since GL took over.

Filtered secrets, betting plunges, proposed directions.... GL is using the media circus against itself and it is working a treat.

No news is good news. Nothing to see hear.

This goes one of two ways. We had our man a long time ago and both parties have been cloak and dagger and pointing elsewhere for distraction since.

.... Or GL and the board and Cam Schwab believe thier own spin and we are pathetic amateurs like we have been for 50 years.

I will bet my ... on the former. Time will tell. Early Oct - just in time for me Birfday.

[Seinfeld 40]

There is NO chance MM will ever be the coach of Melbourne...get a grip of reality people...

[DemonOX 8,791]

Considering Garry Lyon confirmed tonight that we made a offer to Clarkson a few weeks ago, then i can only assume that there is NO chance of any deal between MM and the Dees.

GL didnt confirm it Barrett asked him (to confirm that he offerred a 6 year deal to clarkson) and he just continued saying what he was talking about at the time and never confirmed it

Barrett said "yes" but GL kept talking and ignored it.

Edited September 15, 2011 by DemonOX

[beelzebub 23,313]

There is NO chance MM will ever be the coach of Melbourne...get a grip of reality people...

Bloody glad you cleared that up for us Kojak !! but by way of curiosity....based on what ??

[Jordie_tackles 354]

GL didnt confirm it Barrett asked him (to confirm that he offerred a 6 year deal to clarkson) and he just continued saying what he was talking about at the time and never confirmed it

Barrett said "yes" but GL kept talking and ignored it.

It cam across to me as a confirmation we approached him

[Pennant St Dee 13,128]

GL didnt confirm it Barrett asked him (to confirm that he offerred a 6 year deal to clarkson) and he just continued saying what he was talking about at the time and never confirmed it

Barrett said "yes" but GL kept talking and ignored it.

+ 1 thats exactly the way I heard it, let Barrett hear what he wanted to hear and just kept talking about another topic

[Guest Jack Donaghy]

This is terrible rumour-mongering, but about an hour ago on SEN I heard a caller talking to KB, who apparently called the Ross Lyon to Freo move a few weeks ago (and was ridiculed by KB at the time for it), claim that Paul Roos would be coaching in 2012.

I don't believe it, but you'd have to think there's a chance this bloke could know something we don't.

There's every chance it's the smell of his belly-button lint, but it could also be genuine insider info.

[rpfc 28,271]

This is terrible rumour-mongering, but about an hour ago on SEN I heard a caller talking to KB, who apparently called the Ross Lyon to Freo move a few weeks ago (and was ridiculed by KB at the time for it), claim that Paul Roos would be coaching in 2012.

I don't believe it, but you'd have to think there's a chance this bloke could know something we don't.

There's every chance it's the smell of his belly-button lint, but it could also be genuine insider info.

My problem with 'insiders' is that there is little chance for a person to be across enough 'platforms' to be an insider.

Am I an insider because I know the details of Cam Bruce's last contract with Melbourne?

Hardly.

This bloke might have the ear of a Freo board member, or the local Officeworks in Seaford where Lyon faxed through his signature...

It doesn't mean he is an insider across any other topic, player, coach, etc.

[Guest Jack Donaghy]

Wise words.

[Jack son 5 162]

Sorry if link has been posted before.

http://www.michaelmalthouse.com.au/news-and-blog/2011/07/17-my-future

Even has his own website. Fancy.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

My problem with 'insiders' is that there is little chance for a person to be across enough 'platforms' to be an insider.

Am I an insider because I know the details of Cam Bruce's last contract with Melbourne?

Hardly.

This bloke might have the ear of a Freo board member, or the local Officeworks in Seaford where Lyon faxed through his signature...

It doesn't mean he is an insider across any other topic, player, coach, etc.

That is very true, but it could be conceivable that someone is in the know regarding lyon and roos as they remain close friends. Most likely full of it though.

[Sir Why You Little 36,990]

Sorry if link has been posted before.

http://www.michaelma...07/17-my-future

Even has his own website. Fancy.

That was written in July....Many sleeps ago, as Micky's tenure behind the wheel gets closer to it's end he may well change his mind.

Maybe he already has??

As Garry Lyon said last night "We are still very much on Track"

All this while the list of candidates gets shorter....

[beelzebub 23,313]

Strangely enough I ws only looking at that website last night. ( Micks) Hes not a shy lad is he, no ego what so ever..lol. Its entirely reasonable for him to suppose all of that given the time( moment) he wrote it., But things change, circumstances change etc.. He , like anyone neednt be kept to somethiing youve said ages ago if things change.

What would anyone really expect..? paragraphs outlining his intentions to all and sundry ? Malthouse is a political beast. He knows how to work the media etc. He's savvy. The Net is media. . That future bit was written some time ago also.

I was given sage words by my DaD. many have priobably heardl similar. Judge not by what someone says, but by what they do. MM hasnt ever been coy about doing what suits MM.

edit..beat me to it WWL..lol

Edited September 16, 2011 by belzebub59

[nutbean 8,838]

As I have stated from day one - I am an "ink on paper" man. Until something is signed sealed and delivered, everything talked about, written about, commented on by all parties is fluff and nonsense - I cant differentiate fact from fiction and wont even try...

Having said that

"We're not missing out on anyone. The only thing that's important is for the Melbourne footy club people to realise that we are absolutely on track."

What the hell does that mean, Garry ? Clarkson ? R Lyon ? One re-signed and one went elsewhere. If we are not missing out on anyone and are on track you would assume that we are getting the person we want ?

(I refer back to my first paragraph - I am the same person who accepted TS when he said " I want to finish my career as a one club player and anticipate that will be case" - I WANT TO SMELL INK ON PAPER)

[Guest Jack Donaghy]

I think he means Clarkson was never really available, and we never had a chance with Ross Lyon because of what some would call underhanded tactics, but even then he would not speak to us when we made enquiries, so you'd presume he was not interested.

I don't agree that we should have been beating down Ross Lyon's door and circumventing his management.

There's a train of thought that he even approached Freo himself - does that sound like a man who was interested in our job?

You can't force someone to coach your club.

I'd say GL is certain we have a list of very impressive candidates and setups in mind, meaning a man who has proven to have little integrity is actually of little interest to us.

Scott Burns and Neil Craig sounds like a bloody good setup to me, if it has any legs.

[old dee 23,782]

I have seen nothing in the last 48 hours that suggests to me it is anyone but MM.

[beelzebub 23,313]

I have seen nothing in the last 48 hours that suggests to me it is anyone but MM.

'nothing' being the operative word !! lol

Still, nothing is kind of good just at the moment B)

[nutbean 8,838]

I think he means Clarkson was never really available, and we never had a chance with Ross Lyon because of what some would call underhanded tactics, but even then he would not speak to us when we made enquiries, so you'd presume he was not interested.

I don't agree that we should have been beating down Ross Lyon's door and circumventing his management.

There's a train of thought that he even approached Freo himself - does that sound like a man who was interested in our job?

You can't force someone to coach your club.

I'd say GL is certain we have a list of very impressive candidates and setups in mind, meaning a man who has proven to have little integrity is actually of little interest to us.

Scott Burns and Neil Craig sounds like a bloody good setup to me, if it has any legs.

Maybe all you say is correct but the fact is that there was one coach out of contract and one coach who has now moved clubs. If I was one to read into words ( which I dont because no one is above spinning the truth including our Garry) you would question Garry's choice of words - "We have not missed out on any one" - yeah we have - two possibilities that we were reportedly linked with. "we are right on track" - if we are right on track then Clarkson and Lyon were never our real targets.

Just odd turns of phrase.

Edited September 16, 2011 by nutbean

[Guest Jack Donaghy]

It indicates to me that we didn't think Clarkson was a realistic possibility and that Ross Lyon wasn't a high priority on our list of targets, or even a priority at all.

Not surprising - I don't see why we'd want a coach that won't even give us the time of day.

[old dee 23,782]

Maybe all you say is correct but the fact is that there was one coach out of contract and one coach who has now moved clubs. If I was one to read into words ( which I dont because no one is above spinning the truth including our Garry) you would question Garry's choice of words - "We have not missed out on any one" - yeah we have - two possibilities that we were reportedly linked with. "we are right on track" - if we are right on track then Clarkson and Lyon were never our real targets.

Just odd turns of phrase.

Your last 15 words says it all "if we are right on track then Clarkson and Lyon were never our real targets".

IMO it has always been MM

If it was some else why have they not been appointment and announced?

Because he cannot be seen to accept till October 3rd.

[Guest Jack Donaghy]

There's also the chance that we already have our man signed, yet we're waiting until his finals campaign is completed out of courtesy.

I'm not sure if GL said when we tried to get an opportunity to talk to RL.

It's possible RL has dealt with Freo after we already decided on our coach, but before he was prepared to speak to us.

If we've signed Burns, Neeld or Malthouse, we could be showing them the courtesy of avoiding unnecessary media attention while they complete their finals campaign.

I know it's unlikely, but it's a possibility.

Remember Essendon went through a massive farce last year, when Hird was clearly the man a long time before being announced, yet the bombers still interviewed a lot of hopefuls.

I still can't figure out why.

[beelzebub 23,313]

If MM is our man and possibly always was our man then everything else is subservient if disassociated to it.

If MM is our man then neither us ( MFC) or the Filth want ANY attention to it just yet. Mick DOES after all still have a day job

If MM is our man then we wont know til the dust has settled on the G sans GF.

If MM was/is our man then everythiing not already irrelevant has simply been a production of smoke and mirrors or the opportune riding of other's initiated doings.

If MM is out man then a cover story whilst all else transpires is to look like your soliciting others. Funny...thats exactly whats transpired.

of course if MM isnt our man ..then who the ...is ?? lol

because if its not MM he/they could probably be announced shortly. yet theres nothing iminent n on the radar , according to GL & Co.

Well thats my black hole theory.B)