If I was Todd I would tell them to get stuffed 3 years or nothing.

And what does that say to the players and fans?

"don't worry guys we are just waiting for Mick next year"

poorest plan I have ever heard.

IMO it is Malhouse in 2012 or not at all.

Spot on, we don't need a lame-duck coach ffs...it doesn't work

Whoever it is then they are brave. I reckon our team has got to be so frustrating to coach. But I think it would be good to get an experienced coach. But they are taking on an exciting list.

Whoever it is then they are brave. I reckon our team has got to be so frustrating to coach. But I think it would be good to get an experienced coach. But they are taking on an exciting list.

The list will be exciting this time next year when we have won 10+ games.

Until then it is list of average experienced players and kids with mainly un proven talent.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/plunge-on-st-kilda-coach-ross-lyon-to-coach-melbourne-next-season/story-e6frf9jf-1226129704921

Ross Lyon has just been backed in from $9 to $2. Sportsbet has suspended the betting market on our new coach.

someone might know something.

I'll take boring and winning every day of the week, thanks. I can't stomach another year of not knowing what the game will bring every week, or worse: knowing that it's going to bring dross. The last two years have given me an ulcer.

1. St Kilda are 12-9-1 for the year

2. "Boring and winning" has amounted to zero premierships

1. St Kilda are 12-9-1 for the year

2. "Boring and winning" has amounted to zero premierships

I will swap our year for theirs.

I can handle a fair bit of "boring and winning" for "thrashed and depressed"

1. St Kilda are 12-9-1 for the year

2. "Boring and winning" has amounted to zero premierships

I'd take two games which basically came down to the bounce of a ball to decide the GF winner over being completely rubbish like we are now.

Seriously - you have to be joking that you would not like to be there in the last 3 minutes of a GF with Melbourne Football Club in it up to their eyeballs.

12-9-1 reads a lot better than our output, and they are still going after a horrid start to the year. The fact that they finished as they did after such an atrocious start is testament to their mental application and fortitude. The EXACT opposite can be said for the MFC this year. When the chips were down we crumbled.

I just cant condone an attitude that pots coaches like Lyon who seemingly get the best out of their teams year on year. Its not like we've had amazing coaches that have delivered us soooo many premierships in the last 45 years.....

I'd take two games which basically came down to the bounce of a ball to decide the GF winner over being completely rubbish like we are now.

Seriously - you have to be joking that you would not like to be there in the last 3 minutes of a GF with Melbourne Football Club in it up to their eyeballs.

12-9-1 reads a lot better than our output, and they are still going after a horrid start to the year. The fact that they finished as they did after such an atrocious start is testament to their mental application and fortitude. The EXACT opposite can be said for the MFC this year. When the chips were down we crumbled.

I just cant condone an attitude that pots coaches like Lyon who seemingly get the best out of their teams year on year. Its not like we've had amazing coaches that have delivered us soooo many premierships in the last 45 years.....

What more is there left to say!

Right on the money

Ross Lyon would be a great coach for us....Full Stop.

For a club that hasn't had a premiership since 1964 I thought supporters would want the bar raised a little higher than a guy who is satisfied merely by his team appearing in Grand Finals.

Ross Lyon is a glorified assistant coach, his only claim to fame is riding shotgun (along with John Longmire) to Paul Roos' premiership at Sydney. He inherited arguably the best list in the competition at that time off the back of his assistant coaching stint and the most notable thing I've seen him do there is make Luke Ball walk away from the club without getting anything for him. Taking a team already playing pre-lims one game further to losing Grand Finals is hardly ground-breaking or revolutionary, I'm pretty sure Grant Thomas would have achieved that (and probably more) if it wasn't for his untimely sacking.

Say Ross walks from St Kilda and comes to a team that isn't already playing in the pre-lims and isn't fully developed like our list currently is, how well do you think that will play out? And if he is such a hot coaching commodity, why are the Saints only willing to offer him a 2 year deal?

Malthouse

(Insert most stupid comment below)

Brian Royal...

i would love Malthouse, but if he is not available then Ross Lyon is option 2. And a very good coach he would be...

Ross Lyon is a glorified assistant coach, his only claim to fame is riding shotgun (along with John Longmire) to Paul Roos' premiership at Sydney.

thank god im not the only one who thinks he's not that good!

Mick Malthouse is what the club needs or Bomber Thompson. For atleast 5 years.

thank god im not the only one who thinks he's not that good!

Mick Malthouse is what the club needs or Bomber Thompson. For atleast 5 years.

Considering all the rubbish the Saints have been through, i think he is a little under rated, particulairly this year=They could have so easily imploded, but as it stands they scored a home final...with a very much quieter Roo.

So i wouldn't write him off.

thank god im not the only one who thinks he's not that good!

Mick Malthouse is what the club needs or Bomber Thompson. For atleast 5 years.

Of course, you are talking Top Shelf....But will they be attainable. At least we also have a plan B in operation.

Any different news on Nathan Bassett???

Lyon if released from contract.

Neeld otherwise.

I concur but never ever will I put my aggotts on the line Range Rover.

For a club that hasn't had a premiership since 1964 I thought supporters would want the bar raised a little higher than a guy who is satisfied merely by his team appearing in Grand Finals.

Ross Lyon is a glorified assistant coach, his only claim to fame is riding shotgun (along with John Longmire) to Paul Roos' premiership at Sydney. He inherited arguably the best list in the competition at that time off the back of his assistant coaching stint and the most notable thing I've seen him do there is make Luke Ball walk away from the club without getting anything for him. Taking a team already playing pre-lims one game further to losing Grand Finals is hardly ground-breaking or revolutionary, I'm pretty sure Grant Thomas would have achieved that (and probably more) if it wasn't for his untimely sacking.

Say Ross walks from St Kilda and comes to a team that isn't already playing in the pre-lims and isn't fully developed like our list currently is, how well do you think that will play out? And if he is such a hot coaching commodity, why are the Saints only willing to offer him a 2 year deal?

Reckon it's unlikely that clubs would give contracts of more than 2 years to incumbents that have been there for a while.

I think your assessment of where the saints were and where they got to under credits Lyon.

Regarding your point on our lack of success, exactly why we should be happy being in a grand final with a real chance.

I don't really agree that the st kilda list was better than Geelong or Hawthorns.

The thing that worries me about Lyon is the ice cool, low key personality. That deadpan Bailey-type vibe.

I'm not a fan of it for our group. It's worked at St Kilda but I'm wondering if we don't need more of a fire-breather. Someone with presence that can tear strips when needed, rattle a few cages and bring the meek and mild types out of their shells.

That's the type of person we need in charge.

The thing that worries me about Lyon is the ice cool, low key personality. That deadpan Bailey-type vibe.

I'm not a fan of it for our group. It's worked at St Kilda but I'm wondering if we don't need more of a fire-breather. Someone with presence that can tear strips when needed, rattle a few cages and bring the meek and mild types out of their shells.

That's the type of person we need in charge.

Have you ever stood in the rooms with him, or in the huddle?

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Have you ever stood in the rooms with him, or in the huddle?

No. Do you think he has those qualities? It's not the impression I've gotten from him.

He has a solid record no doubt but he inherited a list replete with champion players and genuine hard nuts.

They bear little resemblance to the wimpy group of front-runners we've got at present.

Do we need a tactical genius or someone who can turn the boys into men? Both would be nice but let's not put the cart before the horse.

Priority 1 - Culture change.

If the powers that be reckon Ross has got that quality, then great. But I'd then love to see him surrounded by quality assistants.

Men who can inspire is what we need. If they haven't already called Brett Kirk, they must.

How about Gary ayres?

Never gets mentioned, but had a reasonable record at AFL level and has gone back and done the job in the VFL

Plenty of experience, Possibly been out of the AFL system too long?

Many of those potting Ross Lyon were screaming out for Bailey to come up with 'tactics and a gameplan', Ross Lyon is a brilliant tactical coach, he invented the press, had a team that had a fairly ordinary backline undefeated for almost 20 games in a row and lost a close Grand Final to one of the greatest teams of all time in Geelong.... I think that is a fair bit better than anything else we can get, I don't think we can get Malthouse, and many say the same things about him having a great list and facility winning him premierships, also those claiming Roos had Lyon riding on his coattails should look at the games in which a Lyon coached St Kilda pulverised a Roos coached Sydney... Lyon is head and shoulders above anything we have had for a looong while... get him!!!!!!!

Many of those potting Ross Lyon were screaming out for Bailey to come up with 'tactics and a gameplan', Ross Lyon is a brilliant tactical coach, he invented the press, had a team that had a fairly ordinary backline undefeated for almost 20 games in a row and lost a close Grand Final to one of the greatest teams of all time in Geelong.... I think that is a fair bit better than anything else we can get, I don't think we can get Malthouse, and many say the same things about him having a great list and facility winning him premierships, also those claiming Roos had Lyon riding on his coattails should look at the games in which a Lyon coached St Kilda pulverised a Roos coached Sydney... Lyon is head and shoulders above anything we have had for a looong while... get him!!!!!!!

I am with you here, and he doesn't have the financial backing of Collingwoods footy department!

brett ratten or scott burns