Okay by my calculations, our first pick will be pick 12 in the next draft.

We will definitely not use the scully picks until next years draft as that is meant to be far superior.

Gold Coast - pick 4

Port - Pick 6

Brisbane - pick 8

Adelaide - pick 10

Melbourne - pick 12

on a side note, i'm running my first marathon on the 9th October and am running for the Cancer Council, seeking kind-hearted people (or loaded people!) to chip in something for the foundation. My link. I've been a long-term poster on this site and whilst a lot of people have disagreed with my football ideas and opinions, i hope to put that aside and do something good. Sounds a bit like debt-demolition!

Edited September 4, 201114 yr by Freak

Gotta hope Richmond win.

They're currently only 1.03% above us, so if they lose, it better be by a couple of points.

we should use scully compo picks now.drafts being better than others is crap. its how you develop players. get the kids in now so they're closer in age to trenners, watts and co. rather than wait another year or two. need a core group similar age. we also need to be aggressive at the trade table because most of our cusp players are contracted until end of next yr.

we should use scully compo picks now.drafts being better than others is crap. its how you develop players. get the kids in now so they're closer in age to trenners, watts and co. rather than wait another year or two. need a core group similar age. we also need to be aggressive at the trade table because most of our cusp players are contracted until end of next yr.

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Drafts being better than others is not crap. Look at the 2001 draft.

i'll say it again. it's about how you develop your players.

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Drafts being better than others is not crap. Look at the 2001 draft.

Compared to the 2003 draft. 1. Cooney, 2. Walker, 3. Syvlia...... 50 odd Sam Fisher. That's about all that is left from that debacle.

i'll say it again. it's about how you develop your players.

So in 2003 EVERY TEAM was crap at developing players?

You have NFI

If he's still available I'd like to grab Sam Docherty at pick 12.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/122318/default.aspx

Sam Fisher Stk pick 55.

Heath Shaw pick 48

Michael Rischitelli pick 61

all from 03 draft. Top end wasn't as good, but you don't know its a poor draft until it's 5 years down the track.

In the frame:

- Taylor Adams

- Liam Sumner

- Toby Greene

- Matthew Buntine

- Brad McKenzie

- Brandon Ellis

- Todd Elton

- Will Hoskin-Elliot

- Elliot Kavanagh

- Andrew Boseley

- Devon Smith

- Hayden Crozier

- Jordan Lockyer

Gone well before our pick will be:

- Dom Tyson

- jonathon Patton

- Chad Wingard

- Billy Longer

- Stephen Coniglio

Sam Fisher Stk pick 55.

Heath Shaw pick 48

Michael Rischitelli pick 61

all from 03 draft. Top end wasn't as good, but you don't know its a poor draft until it's 5 years down the track.

Heath Shaw was a father/son, picked before they introduced the rule to actually make the father/son rule fair. There's no way Collingwood would've gotten away with picking him at 48 under the current rules.

Sam Fisher Stk pick 55.

Heath Shaw pick 48

Michael Rischitelli pick 61

all from 03 draft. Top end wasn't as good, but you don't know its a poor draft until it's 5 years down the track.

WOW.

Three players slipped through to late in the draft (2, as Nasher clarified).

Have a look how many slipped through in 2001.

Or how many were still chosen early.

Why do teams sometimes draft 5 players, but only one turns out to be good?

Because they only develop that one player??

Development plays a part, but you'd be a fool to ignore the impact of the inherent talent within a player.

As Viney said today, quoting Barass, "I don't care about what talent you possess, it's how you use that talent that will impress me." (paraphrasing)

Well, without possessing that talent in the first place it is impossible to use it.

we should use scully compo picks now.drafts being better than others is crap. its how you develop players. get the kids in now so they're closer in age to trenners, watts and co. rather than wait another year or two. need a core group similar age. we also need to be aggressive at the trade table because most of our cusp players are contracted until end of next yr.

To early for trades. We've still got plenty of kids to develop. We'll trade when we know what we want.

Richmond down by 2 points late in the final quarter... if the margin doesn't change much we will have secured pick 12.

Hmmm pick 12 eh.

Suppose we'll draft either a tall skinny forward who can't kick or a pint sized midfielder who can't handball. But they'll be elite if we just give them 5 years or so to develop, after all they'll just be kids and we all need to exercise patience

if you think I'm pizzed off you'd be on the money

In the frame:

- Taylor Adams

- Liam Sumner

- Toby Greene

- Matthew Buntine

- Brad McKenzie

- Brandon Ellis

- Todd Elton

- Will Hoskin-Elliot

- Elliot Kavanagh

- Andrew Boseley

- Devon Smith

- Hayden Crozier

- Jordan Lockyer

Gone well before our pick will be:

- Dom Tyson

- jonathon Patton

- Chad Wingard

- Billy Longer

- Stephen Coniglio

Taylor Adams & Devon Smith are 2 other boys from Geelong Falcons that I've heard goood things about without actually having seen them live. Any idea if they're both genuine midfielders or play more around half forward which would be handy.

Tay Adams is more a hard at it mid, run all day type.

About the same height at Scully though.

Probably be similar to Jack Viney in the end.

Dev Smith is pretty short, at about 176cm.

Could play as a HFF, a bit like Nev Jetta I reckon, but nippier.

I'd say Adams is the genuine mid of the 2.

Personally, I'd prefer Sumner. I really liked the look of him, but I reckon he'll go top 10.

Edited September 4, 201114 yr by Gareth Keenan

So tiges go down, but we hang onto pick 12 by 1.08%.

We need to add midfielders that can break lines. Players that can run and carry and more importantly hit targets. We need outside speed that can find the footy and hit targets.

The most important thing is to fix what we do have and fix the way the guys play together first. Get that right and we can finish in the 8 regardless of who we pick up. The problem this year wasn't the youth coming through - Tapscott, Blease, Strauss, Nicholson, Howe all made a good mark - but the step backwards the leaders made and the mid range players. The likes of Bartram, Dunn, Petterd, Macdonald, Maric were meant to be holding down a spot in the 22 but clearly weren't. Moloney, Jamar, Rivers, Jones all performed well, Sylvia was poor without being horrible but obviously Green and Davey were disgusting.

We need to add midfielders that can break lines. Players that can run and carry and more importantly hit targets. We need outside speed that can find the footy and hit targets.

Sam Docherty & Elliott Kavanagh are 2 players who I reckon suit perfectly and are likely to go around picks 10-15. They're 2 players who would be good fits.

The most important thing is to fix what we do have and fix the way the guys play together first. Get that right and we can finish in the 8 regardless of who we pick up. The problem this year wasn't the youth coming through - Tapscott, Blease, Strauss, Nicholson, Howe all made a good mark - but the step backwards the leaders made and the mid range players. The likes of Bartram, Dunn, Petterd, Macdonald, Maric were meant to be holding down a spot in the 22 but clearly weren't. Moloney, Jamar, Rivers, Jones all performed well, Sylvia was poor without being horrible but obviously Green and Davey were disgusting.

Agree. Although I reckon you've been a little harsh on Petterd & MacDonald. Petterd had a shocking start to the season but I thought he was one of our more consistent players in the 2nd half of the year.

MacDonald was ok to I thought, although I agree he didn't stand up like we probably needed him to.

Lets hope the new coach can get all these issues sorted!

taken from the bigfooty phantom (early run)

16: Jackson Paine (Sandringham Dragons) 194cm, 87 kg.

Interesting tall with a lot going for him. He's got the height you want in a genuine kpp, and while he's not Jon Patton, he's already looking like developing a strong body. Hands good above his head, particularly one-out, is perfectly capable of ripping apart a weaker opponent once he gets on top. While I'm not sure about his raw pace, for such a big bloke he is very balanced and turns quickly - he lays a lot of tackles, and a kpf who can do that is like gold these days in the age of forward presses - too often the talls just lumber around helplessly and don't contribute much. Works hard, lots of 1%ers. He's also a surprisingly good crumber, from his own marking or from other people's. Very good bloke to have isolated one-out in the goalsquare while the rest of the defense stresses about keeping an eye on Watts. For all his size (and he'll be a monster when he fills out) in my book he's a smarts and finesse player rather than relentless runner who blows his opponents up or a pure strength/speed lead-mark-shoot type, and as such I think he and Watts will complement each other well.

The other string to his bow is his ability to play as a 'gorilla' defender. He was just exceptional there against VC in the pre-champs trial match, and I reckon this aspect of his game is really underestimated. With a bit of experience he could be a genuine dual-position kpp swingman, and there aren't all that many of them going around.

In the frame

- Will Hoskin-Elliot

- Elliot Kavanagh

- Devon Smith

Classic MFC names. We won't be able to help ourselves.

The most important thing is to fix what we do have and fix the way the guys play together first. Get that right and we can finish in the 8 regardless of who we pick up. The problem this year wasn't the youth coming through - Tapscott, Blease, Strauss, Nicholson, Howe all made a good mark - but the step backwards the leaders made and the mid range players. The likes of Bartram, Dunn, Petterd, Macdonald, Maric were meant to be holding down a spot in the 22 but clearly weren't. Moloney, Jamar, Rivers, Jones all performed well, Sylvia was poor without being horrible but obviously Green and Davey were disgusting.

This. Except I would label Sylvia as 'inconsistent' rather than poor. Dunn really disappointed me. Looked like he'd come of age in the second half of last season.

How about we draft some more 'natural' footballers like Jeremy Howe.

Great skills on both sides, great mark and can tackle.

Pretty basic stuff.