Bate & Dunn should be nervous

[Cards13 9,117]

Have to be looking to move them on.

Don't know their contract status for certain, but if they are contracted and find no love out in the market - who the frack do we delist?

I got nothing.

McDonald might be the one squeezed out and looking for a new club already.

[Nasher 33,617]

McDonald might be the one squeezed out and looking for a new club already.

Tom? Presuming you mean Macdonald. He'd be very stiff if he got the chop.

[titan_uranus 25,043]

Agreed. My heart sank when I saw that they were both apparently contracted. Makes Harrington and friends' job that much harder.

Hard to be sympathetic with them when surely it was Harrington and co. who signed them in the first place?

It will be borderline embarrassing if we are forced to delist players like Maric, Wonaeamirri and/or Blease simply because we are forced to contractually keep Bate and Dunn.

[Kento80 83]

Hard to be sympathetic with them when surely it was Harrington and co. who signed them in the first place?

It will be borderline embarrassing if we are forced to delist players like Maric, Wonaeamirri and/or Blease simply because we are forced to contractually keep Bate and Dunn.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Prendergast? I thought Harrington was relatively new.

[titan_uranus 25,043]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Prendergast? I thought Harrington was relatively new.

May well have been. Hopefully someone knows; I sure as hell don't.

[Little Richard 6,265]

McDonald might be the one squeezed out and looking for a new club already.

No chance, he is so versatile that the club would be sure to hold on to him. I'd definitely give Fitzpatrick the flick over McDonald.

[titan_uranus 25,043]

No chance, he is so versatile that the club would be sure to hold on to him. I'd definitely give Fitzpatrick the flick over McDonald.

Agree with that.

Which makes the whole situation so unfavourable. I mean, who wants to see Fitzpatrick go and Bate/Dunn stay?

[Guest Artie Bucco]

Prendergast is recruitment, Harrington is list management.

This falls under Harrington's responsibility.

You might not think that these 2 would be players that GWS would want, but who'd have thought GC would take and be playing Danny Stanley?

Both Dunn and Bate are capable of being competitive at AFL level, they just have failed to do it consistently or often enough.

I still think it will not be a problem as the rookie list will be abolished, meaning Campbell, Newton & McNamara / Johnstone will be enough.

I don't see how the AFLPA could sign a new CBA without looking out for the interests of its many rookie players who earn well below what they should.

The pay issue isn't about increasing the rate of the high-end contracts.

[Kento80 83]

Prendergast is recruitment, Harrington is list management.

This falls under Harrington's responsibility.

Thanks Artie, I wasn't certain on that one.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

I think it's fair to have offered Bate and Dunn 2 year contracts at the time.

Their form deserved it and our alternatives were still in the early stages of development.

We were always going to have a problem making delistings with our glut of young talent.

The impending changes to the rookie list should help that.

Also, try signing a player that age, showing form, to a 1 year deal.

See what their reaction is.

It also doesn't inspire any feeling of loyalty of the playing group towards the club.

We have essentially chosen culture over a small list management problem.

Edited June 27, 2011 by Artie Bucco

[titan_uranus 25,043]

Prendergast is recruitment, Harrington is list management.

This falls under Harrington's responsibility.

Of course, how silly of me. Cheers.

I think it's fair to have offered Bate and Dunn 2 year contracts at the time.

Their form deserved it and our alternatives were still in the early stages of development.

We were always going to have a problem making delistings with our glut of young talent.

The impending changes to the rookie list should help that.

Also, try signing a player that age, showing form, to a 1 year deal.

See what their reaction is.

It also doesn't inspire any feeling of loyalty of the playing group towards the club.

We have chosen culture over a small list management problem.

Still doesn't change the fact that we may now find ourselves in the awkward and unfortuante situation of having to keep Bate and Dunn on our list, totally undeservedly, whilst letting go of younger and possibly better or more promising players.

[Striker475 696]

If we package em up and send them to GWS it counts as 2 of the 3 right? I would say the club will attempt to [censored] them for whatever they can get. Possibly Warnock as well, although I think he probably has some more value to MFC than either of those two now.

[drdrake 3,187]

You will find 3 names from our club may be offered around come trade time Bate, Warnock and Maric. I know one club that would consider Warnock where he can play with his brother, Carlton need another key defender and I think if the right trade can be done he will get there. I would accept a second round pick for Warnock and our fourth round pick.

[Cards13 9,117]

Tom? Presuming you mean Macdonald. He'd be very stiff if he got the chop.

Joel

[DEELIRIOUS 156]

Bate and Dunn are good players too have just like Matty Warnock. May not be best 22 at the moment however they could play a role in the event of injury, such as earlier in the year. Bate should be watching his back while Dunn will be a little more comfortable. Nothing to investigate for now for a new home for Lynden "Clueso" Dunn.

[Nasher 33,617]

Joel

Okay. Just for future reference:

McDonald = Tom

Macdonald = Joel.

[rpfc 28,779]

Bate and Dunn are good players too have just like Matty Warnock. May not be best 22 at the moment however they could play a role in the event of injury, such as earlier in the year. Bate should be watching his back while Dunn will be a little more comfortable. Nothing to investigate for now for a new home for Lynden "Clueso" Dunn.

Who are we going to delist?

Warnock.

That is all.

I want to keep the kids because they look like becoming something over and above Bate and Dunn.

Honestly, if we lose McDonald or Fitzpatrick because people thought Warnock 'was good cover' and they end up being champions I will come around to your house and swear at you if you complain about losing them.

*And that is 'you' in the abstract, not you.

Edited June 27, 2011 by rpfc

[Cards13 9,117]

Okay. Just for future reference:

McDonald = Tom

Macdonald = Joel.

Ya ya ya was at work... off to a meeting..... oh ok my sincere apologise for the mistake.

[BAMF 4,385]

Who are we going to delist?

Warnock.

That is all.

I want to keep the kids because they look like becoming something over and above Bate and Dunn.

Honestly, if we lose McDonald or Fitzpatrick because people thought Warnock 'was good cover' and they end up being champions I will come around to your house and swear at you if you complain about losing them.

*And that is 'you' in the abstract, not you.

Tom McDonald signed a standard 2 year contract. Contracted until the end of next year. He's not going anywhere.

Personally I think Maric should get another year but it isn't looking good for him. He's not getting a game. Even though Wonna is no longer competing for his spot.

Warnock will ask for a trade.Rumours late last year was that he was unhappy not getting a game in the seniors. He is getting less this year than last. Someone will bite if we give him away for a third round pick. Edit: Just found out that he might be out of contract. If that's the case he can leave for nothing. This is also fine by me.

Edited June 27, 2011 by UTAH

[jackaub 1,402]

Who are we going to delist?

Warnock.

That is all.

I want to keep the kids because they look like becoming something over and above Bate and Dunn.

Honestly, if we lose McDonald or Fitzpatrick because people thought Warnock 'was good cover' and they end up being champions I will come around to your house and swear at you if you complain about losing them.

*And that is 'you' in the abstract, not you.

I agree rpfc keep the Kids

[titan_uranus 25,043]

OK, just to confirm: Bate and Dunn (along with Bail and Strauss) did in fact sign contracts last year taking them through to the end of 2012. So they are contracted for next year.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/102562/default.aspx

Edit: Also, unless anyone knows more, this article suggests that Wonaeamirri, Maric and Morton, along with Sylvia, Grimes and Martin, are out of contract at the end of this year.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/85298/default.aspx

Edited June 28, 2011 by titan_uranus

[snomed 54]

Dunn has been useless since he grew that stupid mo - shouldn't be allowed back on the team until he has a shave!

[IWAP 170]

OK, just to confirm: Bate and Dunn (along with Bail and Strauss) did in fact sign contracts last year taking them through to the end of 2012. So they are contracted for next year.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/102562/default.aspx

Edit: Also, unless anyone knows more, this article suggests that Wonaeamirri, Maric and Morton, along with Sylvia, Grimes and Martin, are out of contract at the end of this year.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/85298/default.aspx

From the 2009 draft Fitzpatrick or Gawn are yet to be signed. Oh and apparently, Scully doesn't have a contract for next year either. Not sure if anyone was aware of that

Edited June 28, 2011 by IWAP