Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I remember it, Newton was moved into the ruck(or was it the bench?), when he had 2 goals (should have been 3), was dominating th forward line, and playing with great confidence.

We were dominating, and getting the ball into the forward 50 repeatedly. I have no doubt he'd gave got another goal or two had he stayed forward.

Does anyone know the explanation for the move? Perhaps Martin needed relief. I'd have used Dunn in the ruck rather than take away Juice's momentum.

North must have been rapt to see him moved away from the goals.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I remember it, Newton was moved into the ruck(or was it the bench?), when he had 2 goals (should have been 3), was dominating th forward line, and playing with great confidence.

We were dominating, and getting the ball into the forward 50 repeatedly. I have no doubt he'd gave got another goal or two had he stayed forward.

Does anyone know the explanation for the move? Perhaps Martin needed relief. I'd have used Dunn in the ruck rather than take away Juice's momentum.

North must have been rapt to see him moved away from the goals.

It was a poor move. To ask a guy like Newton, who was finally showing something with defensive pressure and goals, to perform a role he doesn't play at Casey was a poor decision. Should have been Dunn.

Thought the same thing... Juice was leading up to the ball beautifully but seemed to disappear after quarter time....

We had to rest Martin at some stage.

North had started to take the initiative late in the first quarter and we were starting to be overrun in the midfield with Goldstein starting to get his hands on the ball.

Putting Dunn in the ruck is akin to give North first use of the ball at each and every centre bounce. Newton was marginally better option in the ruck to at least try to nullify the change in flow in the midfield. But in reality having neither Jamar or Spencer exposed MFC to having only Martin as the ruck.

I am not sure why posters are saying to have kept Newton up forward as the inside 50s and clearances that get the ball forward had dried up as the North avalanche commenced.

Michael Newton does at least deserve a game for the next 2-3 weeks after his first Quarter, he attacked the ball & marked better than i have seen him do before in that first Quarter.

I was most impressed.

newton does what newton always does

flashes in and out but overall just a frustrating player

will be back at casey soon and then kick 7 and people will then call for his promotion again

same as last 6 or so years.....could be a life member soon

delist him and be gone with mediocrity

We had to rest Martin at some stage.

North had started to take the initiative late in the first quarter and we were starting to be overrun in the midfield with Goldstein starting to get his hands on the ball.

Putting Dunn in the ruck is akin to give North first use of the ball at each and every centre bounce. Newton was marginally better option in the ruck to at least try to nullify the change in flow in the midfield. But in reality having neither Jamar or Spencer exposed MFC to having only Martin as the ruck.

I am not sure why posters are saying to have kept Newton up forward as the inside 50s and clearances that get the ball forward had dried up as the North avalanche commenced.

Because if, on your reckoning, Newton is slightly better equipped than Dunn, then he was slightly less likely to lose all the taps. But was was absolutely the case was that he was contributing more in his position than Dunn was in his, so it was a net loss and poor decision.

Because if, on your reckoning, Newton is slightly better equipped than Dunn, then he was slightly less likely to lose all the taps. But was was absolutely the case was that he was contributing more in his position than Dunn was in his, so it was a net loss and poor decision.

Yes it was a disappointing move at that moment. Dunn should have gone into the Ruck as he had just got himself reported for one of the most blatantly stupid acts i have seen in years...should get weeks for that.

It was a shame that Newton was moved...he was switched on up forward no doubt.

Because if, on your reckoning, Newton is slightly better equipped than Dunn, then he was slightly less likely to lose all the taps. But was was absolutely the case was that he was contributing more in his position than Dunn was in his, so it was a net loss and poor decision.

At best Newton could nullify the taps not necessarily win them.

We were always short in the midfield without Scully, Trengove, Grimes and McKenzie. Moloney was not touching the pill at all. The tide in the game had turned and we were losing the clearances and contest in the midfield. Newton was seen as a better option to doing that than the ineffectual Dunn.

But its really splitting hairs arguing Newton vs Dunn. We were getting smashed in the ruck. And having Newton there was making less easier than it would have been with Dunn.

Supporters love overating the "good" quaters of footy we play.

North were pathetic for most of the first quarter, and we capitalised.

When the heat came on, we wilted yet again........3 quaters in a row we were simply ground down.

Newton was ineffectual when the game was on in earnest, as were many of his team mates.

Watching him come off, he was also physically stuffed by half time, and looked to be feeling the step up in the pace of game.

Let's be honest, if Bate could ruck, Newton wouldn't have played.

Newton is a more effective ruck option than Dunn because he can jump.

He appeared to have a crack which was good to see, but as was posted earlier, he will find himself back at Casey soon enough.

His job, going into tomorrow, was to play forward and relieve Martin in the ruck.

He couldn't complete the task.

I'm not saying he should be dropped but he will be looked at if Gawn is looked at.

Supporters love overating the "good" quaters of footy we play.

North were pathetic for most of the first quarter, and we capitalised.

When the heat came on, we wilted yet again........3 quaters in a row we were simply ground down.

Newton was ineffectual when the game was on in earnest, as were many of his team mates.

Watching him come off, he was also physically stuffed by half time, and looked to be feeling the step up in the pace of game.

Let's be honest, if Bate could ruck, Newton wouldn't have played.

Newton is a more effective ruck option than Dunn because he can jump.

He appeared to have a crack which was good to see, but as was posted earlier, he will find himself back at Casey soon enough.

You probably know I don't have much time for Juice, but your comments are way way to harsh.

He played his best game on Sat, played the role asked of him and put in all day.

His first quarter was great then he was sacrificed for the good of the team, tried to do a job he was destined to fail at, and then had to "rest" deep in the fwd line after being stuffed,with the ball not making many more fwd entries, and limiting his chances, ..........and you bag him.

If you are looking for retributive blood there were many other easier targets

Michael Newton does at least deserve a game for the next 2-3 weeks after his first Quarter, he attacked the ball & marked better than i have seen him do before in that first Quarter.

I was most impressed.

Agreed.

I hate that supporters accept mediocrity and newton is that

he will play 10 years at MFC if we dont stop acceptin mediocrity. Agree he played ok in patches but is he the answer = no.

Id almost put my house on he will perform average over the next few weeks n get dropped....

worst thing is our leaders r breedin mediocrity

id love someone to explain to me how he has improved as a player since his second year?

Still kicks goals in ressies and plays the occasional qtr of decent senior footy = he also did that early in his career as well

Drop him and get him off the rookie list. Dunn will be suspended, Garland is out for 2...Bail is out

In Bate, McK & Howe and Joel Mac for a bit of toughness....maybe Rivers if he gets up

I hate that supporters accept mediocrity and newton is that

he will play 10 years at MFC if we dont stop acceptin mediocrity. Agree he played ok in patches but is he the answer = no.

Id almost put my house on he will perform average over the next few weeks n get dropped....

worst thing is our leaders r breedin mediocrity

You're problem here is one of timing

"Agree he played ok in patches but is he the answer = no"

Different issues. Wait till your prophecy comes true for next post, but why not just give him some slack for a good effort, for one week

I'm not a Juice fan but I'm not a torturer either

Newton will get another chance this weekend. Dunn will be out for a while and according to VFL reports Gawn has put his hand up to play after a good display in the Seniors.

You probably know I don't have much time for Juice, but your comments are way way to harsh.

He played his best game on Sat, played the role asked of him and put in all day.

His first quarter was great then he was sacrificed for the good of the team, tried to do a job he was destined to fail at, and then had to "rest" deep in the fwd line after being stuffed,with the ball not making many more fwd entries, and limiting his chances, ..........and you bag him.

If you are looking for retributive blood there were many other easier targets

Just calling it how I saw it.

I don't think I stated anything harsh against Newton at all..........where have I bagged him??????

As I said, he along with many of his team mates did little after quater time.

He tried hard, no doubt...........I was sitting at the interchange area, and he was shagged when he came off, so no doubting his effort........to me he looked to be struggling with the pace of the game, probably because he hasn't played in the senior team for so long.......that's not bagging him, just syaing he will take a few games to get up to AFL level match fitness, and part time ruck fitness.

His first quater was good, but the opposition was also soft, so lets not say he has arrived after contributing in the first quarter!

And as I said, if Bate could ruck, Newton wouldn't have had a call up. Not harsh on him at all......I think Bate is a better forward and player than Newton. Newton just happens to have a good leap, and a little more back up ruck experience than Bate.

As a result, once Jamar is back, Juice will end up back at Casey.

Just my opinions.

To be fair to Juice, his impact in that first quarter was far beyond the impact many of our other forwards have had on a game (bar Jurrah and Green pre-2011).

If he turns it on for four quarters, he will kick 6 goals.

To be fair to Juice, his impact in that first quarter was far beyond the impact many of our other forwards have had on a game (bar Jurrah and Green pre-2011).

If he turns it on for four quarters, he will kick 6 goals.

and if my aunty had testicles she would be my uncle.

Juice will not kick 6 in a match, bc he only ever does the odd good thing in a match, and never consistently over the coarse of an entire match, let alone week to week.

He's just not a particularly good player, I never understand why people want him in the team. I think it's just because he's out of sight at Casey so people assume every time that he's suddenly become a great player while they weren't looking.

Newton is a stop gap that is filling space until Jamar comes back

At best Newton could nullify the taps not necessarily win them.

We were always short in the midfield without Scully, Trengove, Grimes and McKenzie. Moloney was not touching the pill at all. The tide in the game had turned and we were losing the clearances and contest in the midfield. Newton was seen as a better option to doing that than the ineffectual Dunn.

But its really splitting hairs arguing Newton vs Dunn. We were getting smashed in the ruck. And having Newton there was making less easier than it would have been with Dunn.

When Newton was moved the tide was still firmly our way. It was a poor move. Martin was doing ok with some great second efforts. it was poor coaching. He should have held fire for 6 -10 more minutes and given newton another opportunity to score. At that stage he was killing it in the forward half. Easily his best quarter for the club. had Watts played that well we'd be licking our lips. Need to play Gawn and Martin next week.

I hate that supporters accept mediocrity and newton is that

he will play 10 years at MFC if we dont stop acceptin mediocrity. Agree he played ok in patches but is he the answer = no.

Id almost put my house on he will perform average over the next few weeks n get dropped....

worst thing is our leaders r breedin mediocrity

I'm not a fan of Newton's but his first quarter was outstanding. Plain and simple.He marked, kicked goals, tackled to set up a goal, passed off to set up a goal. He was the reason we were in front. His move to the ruck was a poor decision. If Martin can't ruck for 30 minutes I'll stand on my head for an hour.

I'm not a fan of Newton's but his first quarter was outstanding. Plain and simple.He marked, kicked goals, tackled to set up a goal, passed off to set up a goal. He was the reason we were in front. His move to the ruck was a poor decision. If Martin can't ruck for 30 minutes I'll stand on my head for an hour.

I agree, you rarely see the likes of Barry Hall or other power forwards who are monstering the opposition defence moved into the ruck just because their side was 5 goals up. I thought Newton played it like the brute he should be until he got moved. Then he became his usual dithering self for the reminder of the game. Should have saved his energy for leads and busting packs. Dunn should have filled in for Martin quite adequately.

Edited May 16, 201114 yr by america de cali

I know that there is seven years of frustration bubbling into some of the comments on this thread and there is no doubt they are well deserved. But Juice's first quarter was outstanding on the weekend. He led hard, bodied well, chased, tackled and did basically everything you could ask of a key forward.

It mey very well be that Juice will fail again but he's obviously got talent and has earned the right to play again. He has continually put his hand up at Casey and performed well enough on the weekend. If somebody else was crashing the door down then maybe he'd be the one left out but they're not.

I keep thinking back to Jamar every time I feel like writing him off completely.

When Newton was moved the tide was still firmly our way. It was a poor move. Martin was doing ok with some great second efforts. it was poor coaching. He should have held fire for 6 -10 more minutes and given newton another opportunity to score. At that stage he was killing it in the forward half. Easily his best quarter for the club. had Watts played that well we'd be licking our lips. Need to play Gawn and Martin next week.

Newton was in the ruck at the start of the second quarter. North had finished the first quarter kicking 3 goals in 4 minutes. The flow of the game had changed as the second quarter started and flowed harder in the 2nd quarter as North took over.. Maybe you just missed it.