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Are we on track ??

How do you rate the rebuilt journey ? 91 members have voted

  1. 1. in the 4th year of Bailey's tenure , how are WE faring ?

    • Right on track, future success assured
      3
    • From promising beginnings our momentum is slipping
      24
    • Gone right off the boil
      9
    • A few falls and spills but generally still heading in the right direction
      22
    • Serious flaws in our projected rise are starting to appear
      21
    • Some questions are appearing about the quality of some catle
      15
    • Too early to make a call
      15
    • Time for the club to step in
      6
    • Treading water
      4
    • Getting better
      3
    • Going backwards.
      9
  2. 2. If we grant Dean leave for the first 2 "positioning" years how is HE doing ?

    • Great at development , unknown as match day coach
      20
    • Great at dev, good coach, players letting him down
      8
    • Bailey is good
      5
    • Bailey is ineffectual
      8
    • Bailey's style only starting to build
      8
    • Bailey out of his depth
      12
    • Have no idea
      7
    • Too early to call, staying on fence
      16
    • Needs help
      10
    • Has right ideas, not enough games into players
      11
    • Is playing the wrong game plan
      19

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Well..much is being discussed all over the place . I just thought we might like to get some graphical representation of what the overall opinion looks like.

You arent locked into a singular position. You , hopefully have enough choices to qualify your views. Ive tried to be open minded with the selection of answers and apologise if this hasnt occured.

 
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As I see it there are two distinct areas for review.

1) How are we as a club going & 2) How is Bailey going

Hence the two , if related fields of enquiry.

Good luck.... try to keep it real. Answer honestly

 

Yes we are on the right track, absolutely.

A few Observations...a lthough nothing new I thought I'd list my thoughts.

1. Tanking doesn't necessarily pay off. is Dustin martin the best of the lot?

2. The Darling decision was a bad one

3. Grimes and Gysberts were great pieces of recruiting.

4. We really need Blease to make it.

5. Strauss and Maric appear our worst picks....albeit at the moment....they are both young

6. Bailey has done everything expected of him.

7. The board is undoubtedly looking to replace him and our assistants at years end. Malthouse would be magnificent. Personally I can't see a position under Buckley that would excite him. Time to get the cheque book out.

8. Grimes needs to move into the midfield.

9. Davey needs to work a hell of a lot harder. Look at Daisy Thomas, similar size, similar role, similar skill set, very different output.

10. We need at least one of Watts, Scully, or Trengove to become elite.

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Put this thread up again in 4-6 weeks BB

I think I understand your sentiment. However I still think the questions are legitimate. They could rightly be asked at any time. It concerns teh now...this now. You could again ask in 6-8 at that 'now' and quite reasonably youd get a different picture...if indeed things are different.

At the end of last season I had an impression and I had optimism. After the pre season this became a little rigid and right now Im concerned.

thats my take

im simply alloowing others to paint theirs


We are on the right track, but there is still a very distinctive lingering of a lack of heart and passion for the jumper. That has been present for a while, and I don't think 2 wooden spoons in a row did much to turn the tide.

1. Tanking doesn't necessarily pay off. is Dustin martin the best of the lot? Tanking or no tanking. It was between Scully and Trengove. Martin was always considered a close third. But its too early to tell who go the better pick as all 3 could be elite.

2. The Darling decision was a bad one. Too early to tell as Cook could well be a star. Measure your talls in 3 to 5 years. Darling has been good to date in a team that has their A graders fit and firing this year.

3. Grimes and Gysberts were great pieces of recruiting. THe decision to trade Brock and Trav were gold and the picks used well.

4. We really need Blease to make it. It would be good.

5. Strauss and Maric appear our worst picks....albeit at the moment....they are both young. Strauss is injured again. Maric is a tweener.

6. Bailey has done everything expected of him. Up to date probably right

7. The board is undoubtedly looking to replace him and our assistants at years end. Malthouse would be magnificent. Personally I can't see a position under Buckley that would excite him. Time to get the cheque book out. Interesting outcomes ahead.

8. Grimes needs to move into the midfield. Will happen in time

9. Davey needs to work a hell of a lot harder. Look at Daisy Thomas, similar size, similar role, similar skill set, very different output. Davey has been a terrible disappointment this year as have a number of senior players.

10. We need at least one of Watts, Scully, or Trengove to become elite. No we need at least 3 of them to become elite and stay at MFC.

I think I understand your sentiment. However I still think the questions are legitimate. They could rightly be asked at any time. It concerns teh now...this now. You could again ask in 6-8 at that 'now' and quite reasonably youd get a different picture...if indeed things are different.

At the end of last season I had an impression and I had optimism. After the pre season this became a little rigid and right now Im concerned.

thats my take

im simply alloowing others to paint theirs

No no i am happy that you put it up now, but put it up again in 6-8 weeks so we can see the comparison.

 

i checked - From promising beginnings our momentum is slipping, Some questions are appearing about the quality of some catle & Too early to call, staying on fence.

I'd like us to be showing more than we are at this stage however i didnt expect us to make the 8 this year, but i did expect us to beat teasm like west coast. I also didnt expect west coast to be good this year, which they are.

I have a concerns about our development of certain players. Other clubs seem to be able to get the most out of their players earlier than us? Is this becasue our coaches give too many concessions to young players? Seems to me that unless the players have the drive and motivation of bloeks like T.Scully then they're underachieving to a point (im thinking, morton, watts, strauss, maric etc etc)

We are on the right track, but there is still a very distinctive lingering of a lack of heart and passion for the jumper. That has been present for a while, and I don't think 2 wooden spoons in a row did much to turn the tide.

That sums up my thoughts. What worried me was how many senior players went missing the other night. That is my issue with Bailey. If he can't get them to fire then the kids are not going to be developed and we won't ever use the talent we have in the way we hoped.

Losses are one thing but when the team leaders are leaving it to teenagers to do the job we have a major problem.


Yes we are on the right track, absolutely.

A few Observations...a lthough nothing new I thought I'd list my thoughts.

1. Tanking doesn't necessarily pay off. is Dustin martin the best of the lot?

2. The Darling decision was a bad one

3. Grimes and Gysberts were great pieces of recruiting.

4. We really need Blease to make it.

5. Strauss and Maric appear our worst picks....albeit at the moment....they are both young

6. Bailey has done everything expected of him.

7. The board is undoubtedly looking to replace him and our assistants at years end. Malthouse would be magnificent. Personally I can't see a position under Buckley that would excite him. Time to get the cheque book out.

8. Grimes needs to move into the midfield.

9. Davey needs to work a hell of a lot harder. Look at Daisy Thomas, similar size, similar role, similar skill set, very different output.

10. We need at least one of Watts, Scully, or Trengove to become elite.

Agree with all your points Roost but re point no.10, I feel we'll need two of those three to become elite in order to challenge. Watts is the wildcard.

1. Tanking doesn't necessarily pay off. is Dustin martin the best of the lot? Tanking or no tanking. It was between Scully and Trengove. Martin was always considered a close third. But its too early to tell who go the better pick as all 3 could be elite.

2. The Darling decision was a bad one. Too early to tell as Cook could well be a star. Measure your talls in 3 to 5 years. Darling has been good to date in a team that has their A graders fit and firing this year.

3. Grimes and Gysberts were great pieces of recruiting. THe decision to trade Brock and Trav were gold and the picks used well.

4. We really need Blease to make it. It would be good.

5. Strauss and Maric appear our worst picks....albeit at the moment....they are both young. Strauss is injured again. Maric is a tweener.

6. Bailey has done everything expected of him. Up to date probably right

7. The board is undoubtedly looking to replace him and our assistants at years end. Malthouse would be magnificent. Personally I can't see a position under Buckley that would excite him. Time to get the cheque book out. Interesting outcomes ahead.

8. Grimes needs to move into the midfield. Will happen in time

9. Davey needs to work a hell of a lot harder. Look at Daisy Thomas, similar size, similar role, similar skill set, very different output. Davey has been a terrible disappointment this year as have a number of senior players.

10. We need at least one of Watts, Scully, or Trengove to become elite. No we need at least 3 of them to become elite and stay at MFC.

As I understand it the recruiting fraternity had Scully, Trengove and then clear daylight to Martin? Got me puzzled as to why ...

Yes we are on the right track, absolutely.

A few Observations...a lthough nothing new I thought I'd list my thoughts.

1. Tanking doesn't necessarily pay off. is Dustin martin the best of the lot?

2. The Darling decision was a bad one

3. Grimes and Gysberts were great pieces of recruiting.

4. We really need Blease to make it.

5. Strauss and Maric appear our worst picks....albeit at the moment....they are both young

6. Bailey has done everything expected of him.

7. The board is undoubtedly looking to replace him and our assistants at years end. Malthouse would be magnificent. Personally I can't see a position under Buckley that would excite him. Time to get the cheque book out.

8. Grimes needs to move into the midfield.

9. Davey needs to work a hell of a lot harder. Look at Daisy Thomas, similar size, similar role, similar skill set, very different output.

10. We need at least one of Watts, Scully, or Trengove to become elite.

Hallelujah Roost It!

As I understand it the recruiting fraternity had Scully, Trengove and then clear daylight to Martin? Got me puzzled as to why ...

Scully was and is a gun

Trengove, although good at the carnival, stormed into calculations almost single handedly getting Centrals (correct me if i'm wrong on that i can't quite remember the side and couldn't be assed finding it!) into the SANFL grand final - massive game in the prelim final, on that alone he would have gone 1 or 2

Martin best of the rest but with a wildcard - along with Darling had question marks over him as a loose cannon - may well be proved right in the long run, but was always going to be a gun as well.

Have absolutely done the right thing with gaining TS and JT

Yes we are on the right track, absolutely.

A few Observations...a lthough nothing new I thought I'd list my thoughts.

1.9. Davey needs to work a hell of a lot harder. Look at Daisy Thomas, similar size, similar role, similar skill set, very different output.

I agree with you on Davey working harder - but if you want to be surprised look up Thomas's statistics - not a similar size at all


As I understand it the recruiting fraternity had Scully, Trengove and then clear daylight to Martin? Got me puzzled as to why ...

I had the 3 level pegging, and still do.

The only question on Martin was how good his discipline will be. And still is. Time will tell, but Martin's aggression and power would always be a weapon.

I agree with you on Davey working harder - but if you want to be surprised look up Thomas's statistics - not a similar size at all

Hopefully the rocket's being inserted this week! 3 2 1 >>>>> FLASH!!!

B)

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Trengove, although good at the carnival, stormed into calculations almost single handedly getting Centrals (correct me if i'm wrong on that i can't quite remember the side and couldn't be assed finding it!) into the SANFL grand final - massive game in the prelim final, on that alone he would have gone 1 or 2

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He played for Sturt.

As I understand it the recruiting fraternity had Scully, Trengove and then clear daylight to Martin? Got me puzzled as to why ...

Not really the case I believe.

Similar to how Port offered us picks 8 and 9 for pick two - I seem to recall Sydney offering Richmond picks 6 and 14 for pick 3.

Martin is a gun, he was always going to be one. However, people saying that we made a blue with either of our picks have rocks in their head.

Scully was and is a gun

Not sitting on the sidelines he isn't.He is going to miss arguably his most important year in AFL.That alone is a worry.

Is he running/training at all?


Not sitting on the sidelines he isn't.He is going to miss arguably his most important year in AFL.That alone is a worry.

Is he running/training at all?

Very arguably.

Not sitting on the sidelines he isn't.He is going to miss arguably his most important year in AFL.That alone is a worry.

Please explain

Not sitting on the sidelines he isn't.He is going to miss arguably his most important year in AFL.That alone is a worry.

BAHAHAHA, you're right delist him. GWS are offering him $1.5m p.a. as a teenager just to have a laugh

 

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