I think the last possible chance Brad Miller has for an AFL career is to swing him down back, and just let him run straight at the ball for a while. Allah Chris Tarrant. I'm not totally convinced that this will work, but i am convinced he does not deserve to be up forward. I love the guy to death, and his missus even more, but he is employed to do a job and he just cant quite cut the mustard...

There is no way he would have got a game if Jurrah and Watts had got through pre-season. Makes me wonder now why we didnt draft another key position player. Time will tell. Maybe Garland is the missing piece, and Jamar could spend more time up forward? Anyone got any better ideas?

..................Allah Chris Tarrant....... edit: a la

Didn't know he's religious. But I agree, Miller might be worth a try down back, as he is no worth up forward at present.

He should play left back - left back in the seconds.

Yes Miller to full back...Cameron Bruce up forward. Do it Bails please.

I think the last possible chance Brad Miller has for an AFL career is to swing him down back, and just let him run straight at the ball for a while. Allah Chris Tarrant. I'm not totally convinced that this will work, but i am convinced he does not deserve to be up forward. I love the guy to death, and his missus even more, but he is employed to do a job and he just cant quite cut the mustard...

There is no way he would have got a game if Jurrah and Watts had got through pre-season. Makes me wonder now why we didnt draft another key position player. Time will tell. Maybe Garland is the missing piece, and Jamar could spend more time up forward? Anyone got any better ideas?

Is it this time of year already. If Neitz had not retired there would be a chorus of lets move him to centre half back. Miller does not deserve to be up forward because he is no damn good. Our backs were not great on the weekend but lets not upset the one area we have pretty well developed just because Miller is a top bloke.

He should play left back - left back in the seconds.

Leave him at CHF in that lead-up role. He plays his best footy when leading up to the wing/centre. I know people criticise his footy smarts and he hasn't got the best foot delivery, he knows that too hence why he is always trying to play on or handball. Maybe our half back flankers and wingers need to be aware of this and RUN PAST HIM and get the handball and kick to a full forward (aka Brad Green or Stef Martin).

Personally, I would love to play on a wing if Miller was at CHF - I would tracking his every move and if I didn't end up with 25+ kicks in a match, I'd be dropping myself!!!

NB - that last line is NOT for futher discussion - just giving an example of how our players should play around Miller.

Yes Miller to full back...Cameron Bruce up forward. Do it Bails please.

Cameron Bruce must be dropped after Saturday's performance. I know he probably won't be and in the past I have backed him. His game on Saturday, along with Bate, Dunn and Miller was so bad that no excuse could see them playing this week. If they play, which I suspect 2 of them will, 1 more bad game, which I susoect will also happen should see them banished for a month whilst the likes of Gysberts, Watts, Jetta and Maric get some game time.

i think he should play a key role at centre half.

centre half bench.

but seriously, its not his effort, its just his complete lack of skill and good decisions. not to mention dropped marks. blah

Cameron Bruce must be dropped after Saturday's performance. I know he probably won't be and in the past I have backed him. His game on Saturday, along with Bate, Dunn and Miller was so bad that no excuse could see them playing this week. If they play, which I suspect 2 of them will, 1 more bad game, which I susoect will also happen should see them banished for a month whilst the likes of Gysberts, Watts, Jetta and Maric get some game time.

i agree with you, but as you say Cameron won't get dropped, so play him up forward-he can kick goals, and by god we need to kick a few in the first half next saturday.

Cameron Bruce must be dropped after Saturday's performance. I know he probably won't be and in the past I have backed him. His game on Saturday, along with Bate, Dunn and Miller was so bad that no excuse could see them playing this week. If they play, which I suspect 2 of them will, 1 more bad game, which I susoect will also happen should see them banished for a month whilst the likes of Gysberts, Watts, Jetta and Maric get some game time.

Last year Bate started off this badly but by the end of the year he was playing very good football, I wouldn't write him off just yet. I know you haven't i was just pointing that out to others that may.

I would put Miller in the Ruck to see if he could play a Ryder type role, if he fails then nothing lost. It may give us a bit more mobility in the ruck and he may find a spot that suits him.

Dunn showed me and others that thought he could play that he simply can't.

Cam Bruce will get better he doesn't turn in many stinkers like that.

unfortunately I don't think we will see any of Bate, Miller or Bruce get dropped because they really just cannot do it. When you have such a young list you are just asking for bigger beltings by replacing your seniors with more 'freshies'... I know it seems like they couldn't do any worse but in reality if we went out there with just the kids we could be looking at 120 point drubbings as there would be nobody to hold things together in the slightest when the floodgates open

unfortunately this is just a fact of life and it grants these players a certain immunity that they don't deserve

Its a disgrace that he is even in the team, but he is Baileys lovechild after all.

unfortunately I don't think we will see any of Bate, Miller or Bruce get dropped because they really just cannot do it. When you have such a young list you are just asking for bigger beltings by replacing your seniors with more 'freshies'... I know it seems like they couldn't do any worse but in reality if we went out there with just the kids we could be looking at 120 point drubbings as there would be nobody to hold things together in the slightest when the floodgates open

unfortunately this is just a fact of life and it grants these players a certain immunity that they don't deserve

but it's not the senoir players doing well. It's the young'uns.

but it's not the senoir players doing well. It's the young'uns.

I didn't say the senior players are doing well. I said if even less of them are out there the chances increase that we will end up in a situation where we are unable to stop a full-blown catastrophe. Most consider last saturday a FB Catstrophe but the facts are it wasn't, we were down 10 goals to 1 at half time but it didn't end up 20 goals to 2... it was 7 goals apiece after that. To drop Miller, Bate and Bruce for Watts, Cheney and Maric is really not going to do us any favours

I didn't say the senior players are doing well. I said if even less of them are out there the chances increase that we will end up in a situation where we are unable to stop a full-blown catastrophe. Most consider last saturday a FB Catstrophe but the facts are it wasn't, we were down 10 goals to 1 at half time but it didn't end up 20 goals to 2... it was 7 goals apiece after that. To drop Miller, Bate and Bruce for Watts, Cheney and Maric is really not going to do us any favours

I wouldn't drop Miller and Bate anyway, because they weren't our worst players. But if you're playing badly, you should drop the players most responsible for that, regardless of their age. The only person immune from being dropped is the Captain. I'd drop Cameron Bruce because he was in our worst. And I'd do that because he's playing badly, and for no other reason.

Cameron Bruce must be dropped after Saturday's performance. I know he probably won't be and in the past I have backed him. His game on Saturday, along with Bate, Dunn and Miller was so bad that no excuse could see them playing this week. If they play, which I suspect 2 of them will, 1 more bad game, which I susoect will also happen should see them banished for a month whilst the likes of Gysberts, Watts, Jetta and Maric get some game time.

I totally agree. Ive never said it before BTW.

Our tall defenders are more than adequate, and Miller would struggle to get a spot down back moreso than he is struggling to keep his spot up forward.

Yes Miller to full back...Cameron Bruce up forward. Do it Bails please.

NOOOOO!!! our backline is actually our best/strongest area right now, ok so they had a bad weekend just gone, and to play with it would only hurt the team even more.

Good to see a couple of more thoughtful comments - Miller CHF to wing/centre - Bruce further forward - well said.

Miller doesn't even deserve a spot on the list, his effort on Saturday was embarrassing. We may as well blood one of the younger players with his spot and get some sort of long-term reward out of it instead of just giving extra games to someone before an inevitable delisting/forced retirement. A few weeks at Casey would do nothing but help Miller realise how much he wants to be playing at AFL level and for the club to establish how much he potentially has to offer. And for the record, comparing Miller to Tarrant is about as effective as comparing a golden nugget to a turd (a forward who has kicked over 50 goals in 2 separate seasons to someone who has yet to kick over 26 goals in one - and to add to that, Tarrant has kicked more goals than Miller's best of 26 goals 8 times).

Don't forget Miller also clumsily managed to kick Bate in the head (he didn't get too many more) during the first quarter. Bate's ordinary game could have been due to this incident.... However this was certainly another clanger for Miller. I agree that he should be tried down back. It's disappointing after showing such promise many years ago, I still maintain ND moving him forward and back, forward and back destroyed any ability he had to read the play.

NOOOOO!!! our backline is actually our best/strongest area right now, ok so they had a bad weekend just gone, and to play with it would only hurt the team even more.

i am only saying miller down back because he is a big body who has expererience-our backline may be good, but the flood gates opened way to early.

They need help down there, and that is not knocking them at all. We gotta keep the spirits up with these young kids.

I think the last possible chance Brad Miller has for an AFL career is to swing him down back, and just let him run straight at the ball for a while. Allah Chris Tarrant. I'm not totally convinced that this will work, but i am convinced he does not deserve to be up forward. I love the guy to death, and his missus even more, but he is employed to do a job and he just cant quite cut the mustard...

There is no way he would have got a game if Jurrah and Watts had got through pre-season. Makes me wonder now why we didnt draft another key position player. Time will tell. Maybe Garland is the missing piece, and Jamar could spend more time up forward? Anyone got any better ideas?

Agree we could use him better though not convinced about full back. I think he can play forward well if we can get him back with the hard running and leading he used to do with Neita. I think he has been poorly coached, and we are not getting out of him what he is capable of. He is no superstar, but he is better than he is showing at the moment.

Also agree with your comment re Garland, Watts and Jurrah, particularly Garland. I think he would complement Bate well. At the moment Bate is getting the first or second opposition back, he should be getting the third, when he would be a totally different type of player than what he is being asked to do today.

Miller for Garland in the backline might work, with Garland providing a target at CHF. Better kick, better mark, more mobile. Seems like a good gameplan. If we also rested the Russian in the pocket that would be even better. Miller also might provide a bit of mongrel in the backline, something that was sorely lacking on Saturday when several of our younger brigade were badly manhandled down back and none of our senior players protected them. He has in the past had a "hard man" reputation. We seem to have lost that as well under Bailey.

Miller has shown heaps of potential for several years now. Brings back memories of both Steve Smith and Gary Hardeman. Both floundered around on the half forward line for interminable periods of time. Both showed heaps of potential, but nothing much more. Then, they were switched to the back line (Smith to full back and Hardeman to CHB), and they both became champions of the club. I would so love the same story line to play out for one Bradley Miller.

Miller has shown heaps of potential for several years now. Brings back memories of both Steve Smith and Gary Hardeman. Both floundered around on the half forward line for interminable periods of time. Both showed heaps of potential, but nothing much more. Then, they were switched to the back line (Smith to full back and Hardeman to CHB), and they both became champions of the club. I would so love the same story line to play out for one Bradley Miller.

Smith and Hardeman had more coordination and skill than Miller, much more.

Miller's game is to lead out quickly - he has good acceleration over a short distance. The ball has to be delivered in front of him, not above him. And he needs players of the class, speed and skill of Yze, Johnston, Rigoni and nowadays Davey, Scully and Trengove, maybe Bennell or Jetta, to be going past him in the opposite direction to take his quick handpass. None of Jones, Moloney, Bate, Dunn, Junior, Bruce etc, can do this AND deliver the ball with precision well inside the 50.

No, Miller will not be a good defender. He was not the worst on Saturday; at least he tried, arms and legs tangled as they were, hands clawing clumsily at the ball as they were. Bruce, Dunn and Bate were equally bad if not worse. I'd drop all three and THEN drop Miller, but I wouldn't drop him ahead of them. Newton is a no-no, and we'll be waiting a few more weeks for Watts.