hahaha more opinions and propaganda presented as fact...

Nice work............. and so polite too!!!

Nice work............. and so polite too!!!

???

How is any of what I said either wrong or inpolite..?

Lack of pace isn't too much of a concern if other areas of your game make up for it (guys like Greg Williams, Scott West, Sam Mitchell, Cameron Ling and Jobe Watson are testament to this). Unfortunately Brock (unfortunate for him anyway) is probably borderline on making up for it.

I think you'll find acceleration is his problem.

Not the smartest thing to say when he has just beaten Judd in a 3 km time trial.

Thats fine as long as he has to run 3k to win the footy

209 posts based on McLean for Gysberts - worth it ?

Yet, we are still none the wiser. Post #2 summed it up well.

hahaha more opinions and propaganda presented as fact...

Edit: You realise that I could go to the Herald Sun, tell them Collingwood promised to draft me, but didn't because I told them I wanted to play for MFC and they could print it... but it doesn't mean any of it is true.

Merely that it is the story I wanted to put out there for appearances.

How do you know i didnt get this straight from the horses mouth....

Thats fine as long as he has to run 3k to win the footy

Funny.

How do you know i didnt get this straight from the horses mouth....

Even still, people tell lies to their best friends every single day, in the name of saving face...

Unfortunately, I doubt we will ever truly know.

Thats fine as long as he has to run 3k to win the footy

Its not an absolute measure, but it does indicate he can keep pace with Chris Judd, even if it is over a long distance.

You may be aware that AFL players cover distances in excess of 3km over the course of a match..?

Even still, people tell lies to their best friends every single day, in the name of saving face...

Unfortunately, I doubt we will ever truly know.

Fair point. and at first I didn’t believe it, he was my favourite player. But I know the truth.

Believe what you want

Fair point. and at first I didn’t believe it, he was my favourite player. But I know the truth.

Believe what you want

That's just it. It depends on who you choose to believe.

I believe no one!

If its any consolation, you all look like hobos fighting over a wheel of imaginary cheese...

Can't spell. Edited.

Your some type of control freak, trying to rap the kiddies over the knuckles, unbelievable. How old are you?

Lack of pace isn't too much of a concern if other areas of your game make up for it (guys like Greg Williams, Scott West, Sam Mitchell, Cameron Ling and Jobe Watson are testament to this). Unfortunately Brock (unfortunate for him anyway) is probably borderline on making up for it.

The players you quote were either elite or close to elite in other parts of their games. Lack of pace is a crucial flaw in your game and typically such players you mentioned (Wartson, Ling, West and Mitchell) were very good players but were aided by having skilled quicker players around them. Brock has none of the skills at the level that the others have. And when you play Jones and Valenti in the same side as well, the midfield looked like molasses.

I agree with Axis of Bob's assessment of Brock. I think the move would be good for both parties.

2. Was asked to take a pay cut, and wasn’t happy considering he had inject x about of money into the club

Fact eh? Hmmmm.

That was the point I was making Rhino - he just doesn't seem up to it football wise. Not at a level that covers his pace concerns anyway.

Its not an absolute measure, but it does indicate he can keep pace with Chris Judd, even if it is over a long distance.

You may be aware that AFL players cover distances in excess of 3km over the course of a match..?

Covering 3km isn't going to help if the bloke you're playing on is consistently quicker over 20metres.

Those time trials are a waste of time imo. If he'd been on par with Judd over repeat 20metre sprints then I might be impressed

Its not an absolute measure, but it does indicate he can keep pace with Chris Judd, even if it is over a long distance.

You may be aware that AFL players cover distances in excess of 3km over the course of a match..?

They do it in bursts not who is the fastest over a full 3 k's. Jog jog jog, sprint sprint sprint, jog, sprint sprint, jog jog... I'd bet a little bit that most of the Carlton list would be El Broko in a 3 k fartlek "course".

uhh.... yeah, I get it. It not an adequate simulation of the running required in a game...

but still, to not only keep pace with an athlete like Chris Judd, but to beat him, over 3km, shows a certain ability.

Its only one of many indicators, and I agree the fartlek is much more apt, but this one result shows he is not exactly the slowest guy going around in the AFL.

I read this on a number of occasions. Does anyone else find it laughable?

"Because I donated I want extra in my pay packet". If he really thought this he must be a dumb as dishwater.

he felt that he shouldnt be given a pay cut because of what he has put in to the club. Makes sence. well like i said, i heard it from the horses mouth

he felt that he shouldnt be given a pay cut because of what he has put in to the club. Makes sence. well like i said, i heard it from the horses mouth

Not if he donated $10K and they wanted to cut his pay by $50K.

Your some type of control freak, trying to rap the kiddies over the knuckles, unbelievable. How old are you?

A little older than Colin Sylvia.

I'm trying to recall what posts I've read from you. You're an excitable fella aren't you?

I really don't think me being patronising during this ridiculous discussion during the 'nutty' off-season is 'unbelievable.'

But you can accept this thread as epitomising great thought if you want to.

I'm not going to control what you think...

It would be ludicrous to compare McLean with six year's experience to Gysberts who has yet to play a game.

Despite that the Gysberts I saw yesterday is every chance of making a good AFL player.