Before you all castrate me, we need to think logically here.

For me, Brock is too slow and is too often getting caught and slowing us down in the midfield. I know injuries are not helping but he is still too slow. A premiership midfield can not carry too many of these players and we already have Jones and Moloney that play a similar role. Im not saying he is not good but he would be a valuable asset on the trading block, especially with Gold Coast coming in looking for some hard bodied midfielders to support their young list. A trade to GC could yield us a very high pick, id imagine getting a top 10 at the least for him. Which we could use to get some more class into the midfield.

Its just a though but hard decisions need to be made to get the right midfield mix and Jones Moloney and Brock are too similar. We need more class. Finishers.

Thoughts?

Before you all castrate me, we need to think logically here.

For me, Brock is too slow and is too often getting caught and slowing us down in the midfield. I know injuries are not helping but he is still too slow. A premiership midfield can not carry too many of these players and we already have Jones and Moloney that play a similar role. Im not saying he is not good but he would be a valuable asset on the trading block, especially with Gold Coast coming in looking for some hard bodied midfielders to support their young list. A trade to GC could yield us a very high pick, id imagine getting a top 10 at the least for him. Which we could use to get some more class into the midfield.

Its just a though but hard decisions need to be made to get the right midfield mix and Jones Moloney and Brock are too similar. We need more class. Finishers.

Thoughts?

Plenty before Brock

Before you all castrate me, we need to think logically here.

For me, Brock is too slow and is too often getting caught and slowing us down in the midfield. I know injuries are not helping but he is still too slow. A premiership midfield can not carry too many of these players and we already have Jones and Moloney that play a similar role. Im not saying he is not good but he would be a valuable asset on the trading block, especially with Gold Coast coming in looking for some hard bodied midfielders to support their young list. A trade to GC could yield us a very high pick, id imagine getting a top 10 at the least for him. Which we could use to get some more class into the midfield.

Its just a though but hard decisions need to be made to get the right midfield mix and Jones Moloney and Brock are too similar. We need more class. Finishers.

Thoughts?

Nope! We already have Blease, Morton and Davey and potetialy Scully will become part of this midfield also who all will add plenty of pace. Even Essendon who are regarded the fastest team have both Watson and Stanton in their midfield who 2 years ago were both regarded slow.

Before you all castrate me, we need to think logically here.

For me, Brock is too slow and is too often getting caught and slowing us down in the midfield. I know injuries are not helping but he is still too slow. A premiership midfield can not carry too many of these players and we already have Jones and Moloney that play a similar role. Im not saying he is not good but he would be a valuable asset on the trading block, especially with Gold Coast coming in looking for some hard bodied midfielders to support their young list. A trade to GC could yield us a very high pick, id imagine getting a top 10 at the least for him. Which we could use to get some more class into the midfield.

Its just a though but hard decisions need to be made to get the right midfield mix and Jones Moloney and Brock are too similar. We need more class. Finishers.

Thoughts?

100% agree. Would swap him for a top 15 draft pick in a heartbeat. Too slow, too slow, too slow.

Definately agree! but I doubt you would ever get a top 10 pick for him...early to-mid 2nd round pick is all I would expect from the GC raiders (if they would even want Brock on their list)

No way. All such trades are virtually always bad, particularly as far as the MFC's been concerned. For instance, Jolly's now touted as the likely All Australian ruckman this year. Where's our pick 15 at re: that trade? Also, was trading Woey worth the similar trade (Daniel Bell at pick 15?!)? Probably not. Woey was an MFC legend at the time and then finished in the Pies' top 3 the very next year (in which they played the Lions in a Grand Final).

Brock is a very good player and clubman for us. He is not elite, but (for that very reason) he'll always be better value to us than any trade for him would deliver for us. He wins a lot of ball and is hard in the clinches, but needs a bit more class around him - which will come.

Plenty before Brock

Yes plenty would go before him, but none of them would have any trade value. Its about sacrificing in an area where you have a lot of assets to gain others.

I think a top 10 is realistic considering he is potential captain of a club so obviously a good leader and a touch in and under player. GC starting with all young players will be crying out for leadership and tough players to protect their young list so his value will be far higher than it would were we to trade him under normal circumstances

What a stupid idea.

McLean is better than Jones who manages to run into a opponent at every opportunity even when he is clear I sometimes wonder if he hunts them.

McLean in a good side becomes a much better player, So often I see him chase 3 different players in a row for 100 odd meters when other give up, McLean will become our Mitchell who also was "too slow" a few years ago when the Hawks were [censored].

This thread is an absolute joke

9 games in and the idiotic vultures are circling.

:rolleyes:

All Mclean needs to do is fix up that kick of his. (on the run)

Great leader and will help the dees win a flag one day.

The biggest joke in football at the moment is putting the ball out in front of Brock McLean and expecting him to run onto it! I have seen hapless Demon players do this for two weeks running and the result is comical. My U/14 son could leave him for dead on the run. Is he injured? Must be... (take note of the kicking as well). Will he recover to be the medium slow player we remember in his first full year? I hope so. I'm ready to see him play for Casey as of three weeks ago, and I'm only being a realist! His lack of pace is the only embarrassment I have from today's clash.

Would he want his 10 grand back?

100% agree. Would swap him for a top 15 draft pick in a heartbeat. Too slow, too slow, too slow.

If he is too slow, too slow, too slow then other Clubs wont be giving a top 15 pick.

Its amazing how some posters think Clubs are going to be chumps for players that they think are inadequate for a bottom club

No way. All such trades are virtually always bad, particularly as far as the MFC's been concerned. For instance, Jolly's now touted as the likely All Australian ruckman this year. Where's our pick 15 at re: that trade? Also, was trading Woey worth the similar trade (Daniel Bell at pick 15?!)? Probably not. Woey was an MFC legend at the time and then finished in the Pies' top 3 the very next year (in which they played the Lions in a Grand Final).

The issue was the way the pick was used not the decision to trade.

What a stupid idea.

McLean is better than Jones who manages to run into a opponent at every opportunity even when he is clear I sometimes wonder if he hunts them.

McLean in a good side becomes a much better player, So often I see him chase 3 different players in a row for 100 odd meters when other give up, McLean will become our Mitchell who also was "too slow" a few years ago when the Hawks were [censored].

ahhh at last some common sense and basic football knowledge from someone who obviously watches the game closely thanks for that.

What a stupid idea.

McLean is better than Jones who manages to run into a opponent at every opportunity even when he is clear I sometimes wonder if he hunts them.

McLean in a good side becomes a much better player, So often I see him chase 3 different players in a row for 100 odd meters when other give up, McLean will become our Mitchell who also was "too slow" a few years ago when the Hawks were [censored].

well put

I was at the game tonight and said to the guy i was sitting next too after Brock took that mark and ran on and kicked the goal, would he make a decent half forward flanker? He is a very good reader of play, and is a good kick at goal. My only issue with this idea would again be his leg speed.

Thoughts?

No do not trade, what a joke to suggest it and cause he is slow, So is Brett Kirk which proves you dont have to have a side full of Aaron Davey's

No trade, what a joke to suggest it and cause he is slow, So is Brett Kirk which proves you dont have to have a side full of Aaron Davey's

NO WAY !!!!!. :angry: :angry: :angry:

What a stupid idea.

McLean is better than Jones who manages to run into a opponent at every opportunity even when he is clear I sometimes wonder if he hunts them.

McLean in a good side becomes a much better player, So often I see him chase 3 different players in a row for 100 odd meters when other give up, McLean will become our Mitchell who also was "too slow" a few years ago when the Hawks were [censored].

Well name one player in the a top 3 or 4 sides that he would replace? absolutely none, the man is not a top midfielder in this comp.

NO WAY !!!!!. :angry: :angry: :angry:

Confusion I mean a big NO to trade !!

i would have traded im 1-2 years ago...

i have never been on his bandwagon and never will ...

somtimes he is good and his hardness etc are great

but he runs in iron boots

saying this... there is no reason he cant be a decent player and or even captain one day

Its funny how some supporters are so blinded and one eyed that they cant see any thing logically and are so quick to jump at any one who even comes close to insulting a MFC player.

For all those saying joke thread, re read what i wrote and not just the heading. I was not saying Brock is no good, i was not saying he is too slow to be a good player, i was not saying Jones is better than him. I made it clear i thought he was a good valuable player and it was for this very reason that he would make good trade bait because other clubs will also value him. More so than Jones and Moloney. Both of who would also be better players in a better team. My statement was we need more speed and class in the midfield and with GC coming in needing leadership and strong bodied senior players it was a good chance to capitalise.

If this is too much forward thinking for some supporters i apologise, i did not mean to confuse you with logical thinking. But i can assure you club staff and officials would be thinking of ways to capitalise on the GC now. I doubt they would be thinking its too early in the season to plan list management.