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Don't overrate Grundy's game. He played against a bloke with half a dozen games and didn't do a lot of damage. 61% of his disposals were inefficient. He got 13 disposals in the last quarter when the game was over and only 38% of those were efficient. There is a reason why ruckman need to stay out of the mids way. Especially when you have mids like Warner, Heeney and Gulden. Grundy is useful in so far is own hit zone. Once again zero contested marks and only 180 m gained for 31 disposals. The media will love it and keep talking him up, while oppo coaches will keep being happy if he gets big numbers and keeps giving it back. The swans are playing amazing footy at the moment and everything is papered over by winning. I can recall the 2019 prelim when Grundy's 73 hitouts won the Giants the game! He has a bad habit of creating scores for the opposition through poor ruck work or poor disposal. The goal to Lachie Sholl the perfect example last night. Defensively, he is poor one on one. I look forward to seeing how he fares over the next few games. Briggs; Darcy/Jackson; Marshall then Xerri. All quite a bit better than Strachan. Grundy is in the right place now, but in fairness to both Collingwood and Melbourne, he had been poor since he signed the big contract. Collingwood have proven they are better without him and Melbourne never really found a useful purpose for him and he certainly wasn't demanding selection. And Collingwood are still paying a fair bit for him too!

Gee dont mention War around here, people might get offended!

Whateley is a million percent correct on this!

Whateley says: "Collingwood captain Darcy Moore and midfielder Jack Crisp both asked Petracca whether he should be on the ground given what they were seeing up close." Doubt that info came from a demon player or mfc. So it is the Pies PR machine again telling the world what 'good guys' 🤮they are.? I thought Whateley was better than to write an article where a few facts are dispersed in a diatribe of supposition and uninformed opinion. Lost any cred he had imv. As for Coll there are no words to describe the depth of my loathing for that club.

I could not care less what GW thinks or writes. He adopted this view at the outset and maintains it despite what we have learned since from Dr Bruckner, the AFL and Trac himself. If he listened to them he would have nothing to say or write. Gerard has no special insights into football and no knowledge he needs to share. He should stick to talking to horses.

I agree we should be looking at Stengle and Rachele was a player I also thought would suit our needs, possibly in an exchange with Petty (I think we would need to offer a bit more)would also take Richards from the Doggies in a heartbeat. I also agree we will revert to a forward half territory game however I am having none of the slow entries. Any forward especially your X factor players want quick entry into an open forward line with space to weave their magic with higher quality looks on goal. For me the less stoppages the better. If there is a team that has been the victim of mystery finger tips on shots on goal according to a score review it’s Melbourne, in particular ANB. Make no mistake about it a forwardline that is required to constantly run so high up the ground to defend and back, slow ball movement into congestion and kicks wide to a pocket is why we are so inaccurate in front of goals. Costing us games and possibly a premiership in 2023.

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Yes even the runners need to come under question because the water was too warm. In hindsight it's easy to say these things.

The trading aspect of the deal was surprising, as they wanted him as their number 1 ruckman. It was a disappointing return for us on that basis, as I don’t think we even used the pick we received. Please correct me if I am wrong. JJ as a FA went for nothing. Very disappointing all around. Armed an opponent with 2 regular best 22 players for little return.

So should we cop it more for: 1) trading him into the club OR 2) for trading him to Sydney for a mediocre draft pick and at the same time making Sydney a dramatically improved side due to obtaining the recruit of the year.

Nar mate. They’ll have learned their lessons from 2022. I know you have massive skin in the game this year with the hope that Carlton will knock off Sydney in the grand final. But Sydney are on a different planet this year and will win the flag accordingly. If they don’t, then Longmire really needs to cop it from the media as that will be 1-4 in grand finals.

Champion player. Easily the best over a 4 year period and maybe the best of all time according to many. Scully and Trengove were clearly pick 1 and 2. Every recruiter at the time said so. He would not have become the player he was if he came to the demons. Getting drafted to the demons in those days was a career killer. Criminal that we didn't even interview him though. Just shows how terrible we were.

he cost us a second rounder think of him as a loaner for a year in 2023

We won’t be able to get anyone one that list. Collingwood, Carlton will be into them long before we are. Saints will throw ridiculous money and long term contracts. Geelong will give them lifestyle and reinvention. We just don’t even have a training base.

Can’t believe we got a 2nd rounder for Grundy. We have lost our ruthlessness in every aspect.

of those currently under contract. darcy parish would be one that i would definitely be keen to have a chat with i can't see the peptides wanting to honour their very long deal with him given that their midfield seems to operate better without him as such, if we can take on the wage and not give up much collateral, it would appear to be a potential win: win

as one of the commentators said today, or a variation on it - "grundy is fantastic when he can work himself into the game throughout the course of play" which is true it's also what sets gawn apart as the best ruckman ever having them together in the same side was just a waste of two incredible talents

Actually, Schache is neither, sadly.

Goodwin lost me when he refused to play Grundy in the finals even as a sub biggest flip flop coach, sure win a flag but since has don’t [censored]

A yes to Stengle for mine. He'd be ahead of Chandler. If we do what I think we should do and revert to a forward half territory game, we need more x factor at ground level. It means slower entries become more dangerous if we get them to ground and repeat stoppages inside 50 would also face a better chance of being converted with more x factor. Which is why I hope we also target Rachele. IMV we've had a style that suits x factor smalls, which is why Kozzy has shone in our system. Problem we've had is we don't have any other x factor smalls.

You are delusional if you think Shcache was a better option than Grundy Our list has been ruined by a very stubborn man

Thanks DD I agree with Timothy R-A, we weren’t monstered as much as the score board showed. Forward efficiency and accuracy were our killers but the loss of Christian Petracca has sent us all into a spiral and I’m not sure what will pull us out of it.!!!

I was very interested to see the fall out from Moore's use of his knee as a weapon. Anyone who thinks Moore didn't know what he was doing or that he didn't know where his knee was going is being naive in my opinion. They practice using their knee and jumping into a bag all the time at training. I don't think he wanted to end Petracca's season but he certainly aimed to hurt. It was a follow up to last years Maynard "dog" act. This was the first time we had played since then and even though Melbourne's focus was lost by it's pathetic effort the week before Collingwood's wasn't. One of Moore's generals had been called to account and the Collingwood Captain was going to back him up to the hilt. This was an act of war. Collingwood won the war again and we didn't even know it was a war. We have come out looking like fools. Again. If we are to survive as a team in this era of potential greatness we have to realise whats going on. I am really only interested in one more match for the rest of the year. Round 24 against Collingwood. They have done it to us again. We have let it be done to us again. Until we beat Collingwood and physically beat Collingwood, we will never be any good again. Basic combat warfare. Come on Goodwin, get your head out of the "woe is me" [censored] and get us up for one game.

Shaping up that way, but I still have this niggling suspicion that they will freeze up on the big stage at the MCG in September ... 🤔

There's still a case for at least one mid field bull. Cripps - No Cripps no Blues success imho. Walsh is good on the outside but he feeds & relies off Cripps hard work in and under quite a bit. Viney - before being injured this year). With his decline (and or tagged out of influencing matches) goes our season. Clarry - before his fall from grace... as per Vines Danger - Cat's decline since his injury no coincidence Libba - not so much a bull but he does the same thing, first use extraction and he is the best in the comp at that this season. The best clearance average in the AFL, daylight the rest. No coincidence they are rising again post his return. Rowell Green Miller I get what you're saying and yes we are devoid of the more outside bias types you are referring to. Especially now that Tracc is done for the year, we simply have to get Rivers into the middle to play some serious minutes and see how he goes. If we don't i fear we are in for more horror in the back half. Also important we start blooding the likes of Kolt & Sestan in place of Billings & Laurie. Will they have some shockers as well? Absolutely. But their upside potential is a mile ahead of the former two if we persist with them and don't [censored] the bed and send them straight back to Casey after their first few weeks as we tend to do far too often with our rookies. Talk about a confidence killer.