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Of course that’s annoying, and shouldn’t happen. But I can put any money on the fact that I bet the team that last due to “a bad decision” made a load of mistakes, didn’t capitalize on shots on goal which could also have made the difference. It’s not like you look at the scores card and see 0 turn overs and 21 goals straight and no points. It’s like us against St Kilda this year. 7.21 scorecard. Say an umpire made a mistake on the dying minute, and was wrong and “it cost us the game”. Surely you’re not blaming the umpire when we missed 21 points…. Both make mistakes, and both are human. Just not sure why it’s only seen that umpires can cost a team a game when usually the team could have also done won it on their own merit.

All my instincts tell me he is gone. However the inside line according to some of our own say its all bullocks and he is signed up. I tend to take some comfort in that view given a proven track record.

You could easily argue he was winning the race for the ball the way it was bouncing, but then it bounced towards Evans at last possible moment giving May no time to think how to react.

So absolutely whacked them everywhere and still lost. Great.

Alex Pearce got off - watching the Sunday footy show that looks MILES worse/more avoidable

Turnovers: 5.7 37 8.2 50 There's the match. When we turned it over they punished us. When they turned it over (actually more often) we let them off the hook through (checks notes) inaccuracy.

The counter argument will be that May should have pulled up and positioned himself to tackle. given the extent of the injury, he is going to get at least get three weeks I would think

Sorry, do you mean a decision in the last minute is no more important than ones in the other 100 something 100 minutes? I still can't agree with you. Do the umpire bosses review the umpiring of entire games. I bet there are times where there's a few howlers and team A should have had 3 frees awarded 25 metres out and / or team B should have less frees at similar spots at the other end. Given plenty of margins are under a goal it can be all of one mistake which has the wrong team win.

Last night was the classic case of the scenario where two things can both be right. We were woeful for much of the night. And the umpiring was appalling and had a material impact on the game.

It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to be openly cheating. Where the conspiracy is planted, is before the start of the season. Where idle talk on players fairness is discussed along with perhaps favourite players and Clubs, or even interpretation of new/old /hard rules. I know I know, what else are they going to dis cuss....how many frees they give against teams they don't like or players they do. That could not have anything to do with it, could it.

Watch Cox sometime when your not busy, maggots. You might be surprised. If you, or any opposition player are within a metre and a half of him in a play on situation you will probably have been kicked,pulled or pushed.

I think this is what I meant but I didn’t say it correctly! So we lose the most games that we should’ve won on expected scores?

But Grundy on the other hand!

Add Hayden Skipworth, to this list!

I don’t really see how May doesn’t get weeks. Of course he’s initially playing the ball and there’s no intent to hurt, but he’s late, even if just fractionally. That means it’s not incidental contact and that’s what sets it apart from other football acts that occur while competing for the ball (like the knee in the temple). The reality is these days if you think you’re a chance to be second to the ball you need to do everything to ensure you’re not going to make high contact. I think we’ll have a hard time convincing the tribunal May had no other reasonable option and acted with a duty of care.

After watching the Presser last night, I'm starting to wonder if Goody is starting to lose some of the players. That's now a couple of really poor starts where he's indicated that the players effort and intensity were to blame. Goodwin is banging on about not wanting to waste a minute of this year and set us up for next year but it seems to me the players just aren't buying that message.

I mean, what's May supposed to do, disappear into thin air? He was going for the ball. He didn't turn his shoulder which would be a normal reflex action. He stayed open, vulnerable for damage to himself. I think this alone showed duty of care for his opponent.

B: Turner, Adams, McVee HB: Salem, McDonald, Bowey C: Langdon, Oliver, Windsor HF: Petracca, Johnson, Langford F: Fritsch, Petty, Melksham FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett IC: Howes, Chandler, Rivers, Kentfield SUB: Spargo

Yeah I agree. There is nothing trivial about this and the fact that Christians could fit it into the matrix tells you he is trying his best to mount a case but nothing sticks. If it was a black and white he’d threaten resignation and toss the case out.

-2.8 is diabolical

Nope, but as the GOAT @WheeloRatings tells us, we are far and away the league’s worst side at losing games despite winning on expected score: We’re -2.8 wins compared to what expected score ought to have delivered. Only Carlton and WC (both -1.6) and Sydney (-1.0) are at -1 win or worse. Indeed, us and those three clubs aside, everyone sits between -1 to +1 except GWS who is a ridiculous +3.7. @WheeloRatings do you have the basic W-L based on xScore (ie just a ladder giving each win to the higher xScore)?

They are concurrent. So hopefully we see his 250th game this year🙂

Question (and excuse my ignorance): Maysie is out on concussion protocols. If he gets rubbed out for weeks, do the two weeks out for concussion count in the penalty or does the penalty take effect after the concussion weeks?

...but it's May. Lets say it was Darcy Moore in the same position. The whole football world would say it was a football act and he was going for the ball. May is not Moore and it's doubtful that he gets a fair hearing.