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Dont forget a massive 8 tackles between those 5 players. Off topic just thought I would throw it in.

Just heard all players did attend. Nice one.

McVeigh or Malcheski lost their baby girl a couple of years ago, bloody tragedy, you could understand if he hadn't come to terms with the loss and as a consequence his football suffered. Five years later Watts (some still would have us believe) hasn't yet gotten over his debut. I doubt that's true but if it is he needs to quit football now.

We are talking about Melbourne , but the players should have attended yesterday. Hawks and Cats are the benchmark, and yes we are only five games in and yes there is a long way to go.

This crap about Watts being mistreated needs to end. If that's the biggest concern is his life he's doing alright, it was nearly five years ago.

We have to move past "in 5 games he was BOG for 1, crap in another and ok in the other 3. Geelong and Hawthorn have numerous players who play bloody good footy 20 weeks a year. Your best effort is required week in week out.

Beamer did the whole long weekend away thing with 1st and 2nd year players and hats off to him for showing initiative. I think when Watts was first drafted he was thrown in the ring with Beamer as a one off to say "welcome to the big league". I have to disagree with you with regards to "boxing will not increase his physicality". It's not about turning Jack into a cage fighter off the field or into an Ollie Wines on the field. It's about him understanding what his body is capable off, pushing his body and mind to its limits, becoming confident in his ability to affect a contest and come out on top. As has been discussed on thread as well as others his skill set - kicking, handballing, decision making, speed of the mark, positioning of body, marking(takes the occasional contested but not known for it) would be in the top 10% of players in the comp. I've mentioned before in the first couple of games there were a couple of occasions where he ran through congestion, collected the ball, sped off before kicking with precision to a teammate, he needs to do this more. I don't want him starting in the centre at bounces, I want him on a wing, yes he's great on the outside but there are times when he hangs back in a two on two for the ball to come out to him and the opposition win it because it ends up being a two on one. His pace allows him to get to more contests,if he could start applying affective tackles this would be of great benefit. He has potential to be a star of the game but his lack of physicality is holding him back and opposition clubs will target this. With regards to the boxing you don't want a mug teaching him. All that will happen is he will get paired up with someone who will beat the crap out of him, and they will wait till he is basically on the canvas before stopping the sparing. You want someone to build his confidence and increase his training to match, this will happen in stages. It may not be the answer but it couldn't hurt to try.

It's not about being bash and crash. We know he's better on the outside but he needs some sort of physical presence in his game. There was a comment during today's game how both clubs had done their homework on every player. Clubs like Geelong and Hawthorn amongst others will identify(I'm sure they're already aware) and play on that. How would he have gone in the game today?

Couldn't hurt. I say one on one for Jack. It's not about putting Jack in the corner and belting the crap through him, he might be 22 but to me looking from the out side he's still a kid not a young man. If Jack had a hard edge he'd be near unstoppable. Boxing would give him confidence is contact situations.

Modify his training to include boxing, to be done away from the rest of the playing group. Lots of one on one and yes lots of sparing. I think this would build his confidence as well as harden him up. As has been discussed he has the skills/speed/athleticism he just needs that hard edge.

They also have Enright. Last year they made a tough call on Chappy. Prior to that Ling, Scarlett, Harley, Mooney, Ling, Corey, J Hunt. (I think Scarlett left of his own accord). Plus Ablett quit the club.Here we are arguing about whether Jordie, Grimes or Watts should get a game next week. We beat Carlton and are upbeat for a week, reality is we are so far behind the two teams that played today it's scary . Out of our current list only Jones, Dawes, Chip and Dunn, would get a look in. Possibles are Tyson, Viney and outsiders Tmac and Vince. Cross wasn't mentioned due to age. Can't see Geelong bottoming out anytime soon. No more three year + contracts unless you are a proven performer, this works both ways, don't perform.....sodd off. Perform and get another contract. I'm assuming we all saw Langfords game......enough said.

For all you people who bang on about how effective McKenzie is turn on your tv's and watch a KID called Langford run around.

Agree with Viney, until then Jones should go it solo.

Problem is leadership was a big reason for some of our problems. Leadership is now there, be it the coaches or players like Cross, pity some players choose not to follow the example set.

You were starting to loose me with your first reply, but I get where you are coming from with the second and agree. It wasn't McDonalds best game yesterday but when Garland comes back along with Dunn and Georgio we have the makings of a good back six. I Read that Toumpas was playing back flank for Casey. We need some class off half back. When Hogan debuts hopefully alongside both Chip and Dawes we still have out three talls up forward. Still a chance to rattle some teams in the second half of the year.

pay him the $800, front end it , I was originally against it but with what's happened with Clark retiring and many others either not trying or not good enough I say pay him. Viney, Tyson and co are still very young there won't be putting their hands up for big money for a couple of years.

Dom Tyson has played a whopping 18 games. Watts has played 78. Tyson has shown some great signs but in reality this will hopefully be his first full year. Regardless whether you buy into the crap that he has failed to get over his debut game or the rest of the fiction, he is a footballer as has the ability to think for himself and stand up for himself. I have seen him this year win the hard ball and speed away from the pack and deliver a beautiful kick, but it has to be on his terms. Someone threw up Pendles as a player similar to Watts, well Pendles wins his own ball at times, continually racks up effective tackles and doesn't allow himself to be man handled. Watts needs to have his training modified to include boxing with at least one sparing session a week, fail this trade him.

Not sure if Seraph has resurfaced since positing that drivel yesterday.

We had this discussion last week. Win or loose we need to constructively critique the list. After yesterday's performance we have players actively asking to be delisted/traded and I thank them for that .

Was just on the AFL website. At the top where you can flick through the main story's there was the match report for the Demons v Suns. Accompanied by a picture of Georgio on the ground after being tackled, the Suns defender had both his arms wrapped up in the tackle forcing the ball to spill out. Click on the story, there are a couple more photos to go with it. My favourite being the one where I think it's Vince tackles Swallow but only around the waist allowing him to offload a handball as Grimes watches on.

Unfortunately for him money can't buy brains.

Finally someone wants Jordie dropped.

I was initially against paying him big money but we may be left with no choice. Assuming Clark's contract in terminated at seasons end, even with that we don't have a list that warrants 92.5% of the cap.

I think most on here understand the difference between an outside and inside player. Do you have to be inside to tackle? Do you have to be inside so as not to get pushed off the ball?This is not a drill, it's a paid gig.

Round 2 Pies v Swans. Pendles 1 goal 1. 33 touches, 4 marks and 10 tackles.