spirit of norm smith

I want the Christian Salem from 2021. Was 2nd best player in the GF team. He’s lost his sharp disposal. Erratic up and under kicks. Appears slow to react. Might be form or confidence or just not being 100% right.

I’m still angry. Eddie’s McTooManyBurgers Maguire’s celebration didn’t help

Or at least players who can hit a target with foot skills inside forward 50. Or players that can have the skill and confidence to kick goals. That’s my Xmas list.

Hibbo retired. Likely Ben Brown to retire Likely Dunstan will be delisted. Likely Grundy, Tomlinson and JJ will seek to go elsewhere. Thats 6 list spots 1- promote - Daniel Turner. Creates rookie spot. (save spot for a rookie ) 2-3 Add Shane McAdam and another mature player, probably backup Ruck) 4-5-6 package up picks and get access to two top 10 picks + add Kynan Brown Interesting to know whether we give a one year deal to Melksham. He showed he’s got another year and hopefully recover from his knee injury by half way through 2024. He deserves to go out on his own terms. Unsure about Harmesy??? Contracted. We love him. But he’s out of favour seemingly with Goody. Offers may or may not arrive.

Gleeson!!! Gleeson's instructions to his tribunal members to assess whether it was a “voluntary” bump!!! Wtf. That’s false. Why ask to confirm a voluntary bump!!!! It’s careless. There was a duty of care not to make forceful contact. What in the hell happened to “careless” !!! I’m still angry. Gleeson clearly biased. His instructions and rationale was clearly flawed.

Just win. For all of us. Just win this one !!!

Agree. Prosecutor was weak. Had 3-4 key points and missed them all. Careless? Yes - duty of care - if you elect to jump in the air, you expect to be an uncontrolled projectile Head high? Yes Sever impact? Yes Had options? Yes Gleeson!?! He advised they must adjudicate on whether it had been a voluntary bump? Gleeson also said Maynard was "not careless in either his decision to smother or the way in which his body formed after the smother".

Gleeson!!! Gleeson's instructions to his tribunal members to assess whether it was a “voluntary” bump!!! Wtf. That’s false. Why ask to confirm a voluntary bump!!!! It’s careless. There was a duty of care not to make forceful contact. What in the hell happened to “careless” !!! Note Gleeson comments re the Lynch -Keath incident. Tom Lynch managed to have a ban overturned at the Tribunal earlier this season for an incident that left Alex Keath concussed, with parts of the reasons provided there likely to be relied upon by the Pies. While there are marked differences between that case and this one, key lines that would jump out to the Pies are these from Tribunal chairperson Jeff Gleeson: “All flight can be misjudged and leaps mistimed.” “It is not careless for a player to do no more than brace for contact in those circumstances.”

Gleeson!!! Gleeson's instructions to his tribunal members to assess whether it was a “voluntary” bump!!! Wtf. That’s false. Why ask to confirm a voluntary bump!!!! It’s careless. There was a duty of care not to make forceful contact. What in the hell happened to “careless” !!!

Highly likely. Hibberd to retire. x ANNOUNCED Highly likely. BBB to retire x Almost certain. Dunstan - delisted x Unrestricted free agent James Jordon to go x . I think he’ll look at offers and look to get more certainty and support like Bedford did. Saddens me but ??? Gus… will have to reassess his health and well-being for his future ☹️ —————————————————————- Probable. Harmesy to stay one more year. 🤔 Probable. Melksham. One year deal. 🤔 Possible TMCD to obviously consider retirement though he’s internal determination means he’s likely to give it one more year 🤔 Unclear Kye Turner Last man added in February. He looked ok at Casey but not certain he could step up Given Tomlinson likely to move on, he might stay as backup key defence 🤔 why? Signed Schache to one more year 🤯 —————————————————————— Trade options for Dees. 1. Grundy - obviously the talk is there and it will have to be explored x 2. Tomlinson - not given chances by Goody so like Hunt/Bedford , he’ll likely select to look elsewhere x 3. picks to trade up. 5,15,24,34 —————————————————————- probably 6-7 players to add to the list. Shane McAdam trade in Kynan Brown father son 3 other youngsters additional ready to start player - trade or free agent

Late draft pick or rookie pick. We had to keep him under wraps but he got excited towards the end of the year. Kynan will be on our list next year. Lots of physical development and skills work. But he’s got the heart of a lion.

the findings. - Brayshaw could’ve executed his kick in a different direction or in a different manner, landed in a different manner or in a slightly different location. - In giving his verdict, chairman Jeff Gleeson said Maynard was "not careless in either his decision to smother or the way in which his body formed after the smother". -the panel said Maynard's decision to smother was reasonable and agreed he made no conscious decision to bump Brayshaw. THIS MAKES ME SICK I AM ANGRY. SO ANGRY. Maynard is a thug. Careless. High. Severe.

the findings. - Brayshaw could’ve executed his kick in a different direction or in a different manner, landed in a different manner or in a slightly different location. - In giving his verdict, chairman Jeff Gleeson said Maynard was "not careless in either his decision to smother or the way in which his body formed after the smother". -the panel said Maynard's decision to smother was reasonable and agreed he made no conscious decision to bump Brayshaw. THIS MAKES ME SICK I AM ANGRY. SO ANGRY. Maynard is a thug. Careless. High. Severe.

Testimony Maynard has gone through the incident. "I saw Angus Brayshaw come out of the front of the stoppage and running towards me. "I decided to come forward, but as you can see, I jumped straight in the air. "I do recall making contact with the ball to smother it. "I had to jump in the air to try and touch the ball. I jumped off two feet, straight in the air. "When I jumped, I was looking at the football the whole time. "When I was in the air and smothering the ball, I looked at the football, felt like I made connection, then turned my head to land and "[censored], he was there". "It was a surprise he had come into my way. "It was almost like a flinch reaction. I seized up. "Next thing I know he was on the floor and I was a bit rattled myself." Maynard is being cross-examined by AFL counsel Andrew Woods. He asks about Maynard's decision-making process while he's in the air. Woods: You could have outstretched your hands and arms and cushioned some of the impact with Brayshaw? Maynard: No Woods: You could have opened your arms and collected Brayshaw. Do you accept that's something you could have done? Maynard: No. AFL AFL counsel Andrew Woods is continuing to explain why it was unreasonable to smother in this instance. "It's the speed at which the leap forward occurs and the fact there is no attempt to slow or make that trajectory higher rather than more forward. "A player in this situation who wants to smother, it might just be too unsafe to do so, because of the forward trajectory. "Other options that were available were he could have made a more upright jump … that's an obvious example where you could lessen impact. "Had his hands come down and braced … it would have logically cushioned the blow." Woods says Maynard does not simply flinch, as he said earlier, but it was a conscious decision to turn his body to impact. He then says even if it isn't a bump, it's a careless offence. biomechanics Woods (AFL): "Is it possible once the ball passed Maynard's hands that he had time to position his body in a different way to that which he did. Is it possible?" Cole: "Very limited chance. It's possible. Individuals have different levels of mental fatigue … but I can't speculate. "All I'm suggesting, based on the numbers and based on the research, it's difficult to conclusively say Mr Maynard would have been able to make any conscious decision to reposition his body. "It's more an innate reflexive response. Professor Cole being asked about the reaction time for Maynard. He says the average reaction time for the general population in a controlled setting – like, hitting a button when you see a light – is 200-250 milliseconds, but is confident that would be impossible to achieve in a competitive arena. He says Maynard would have had no more than 400 milliseconds to respond. "His primary focus was on the ball." PIES is now looking at still images to determine whether Brayshaw moved into Maynard's path after he kicked the ball. He says Maynard's centre of mass goes straight up with just his arms going to the right to attempt to smother. He says when Brayshaw kicks, it is not inevitable, in fact it's "not even likely" a collision would occur if both players continued in a straight line. "It changed because of what Mr Brayshaw did," Ihle said. "I'm not critical of him. It's important to acknowledge Mr Maynard followed the ball and was surprised to see Brayshaw in the position he was in." ——————————————— Chairman Jeff Gleeson said he made no apologies for the length of time it took considering a player was left concussed and another one stood to miss a couple of pretty important games. ————————————- the panel said Maynard's decision to smother was reasonable and agreed he made no conscious decision to bump Brayshaw. In giving his verdict, chairman Jeff Gleeson said Maynard was "not careless in either his decision to smother or the way in which his body formed after the smother". ——————————————————- A key part of Maynard's evidence centre around Brayshaw deviating to the right - and right into his path - after he kicked the ball. Collingwood's counsel even presented some coloured 'lanes' from behind the goals vision to show how Maynard ran in a straight line and Melbourne's midfielder had drifted significantly to the right. "When I was in the air and smothering the ball, I looked at the football, felt like I made connection, then turned my head to land and thought 'sh*t, he's there'," Maynard said. "It was a surprise he had come into my way."It was almost like a flinch reaction. I seized up."Next thing I know he was on the floor, and I was a bit rattled myself." Collingwood counsel Ben Ihle said players who kick the ball at full tilt with their right foot go off to their left, rather than their right, as Brayshaw did. AFL counsel Andrew Woods contended Maynard could have changed his landing by either outstretching his arms or opening them up to embrace Brayshaw. However, with evidence from Professor Michael Cole, Collingwood argued Maynard had no time – less than 400 milliseconds from the kick, and even less once it passed his fingertips – to make a conscious decision on a change of landing."Once airborne, Mr Maynard had no opportunity to avoid the collision," Cole said. Based on the numbers and based on the research, it's difficult to conclusively say Mr Maynard would have been able to make any conscious decision to reposition his body. "It's more an innate reflexive response." He added: "Once he's in flight, he's essentially a projectile. Like a frisbee with arms and legs."

Jeff Gleeson instructions before deliberating: We should judge the evidence fairly and impartially in the light of their (Tribunal members) common sense, their experience of life and where appropriate their experience as footballers. No one should be under any misapprehension that, despite the fact we've been going for almost three hours with a minute analysis of this matter, this will be decided on the basis of common sense, a sensible and fair viewing of footage. I make absolutely no apologies for the fact that this has taken nearly three hours. A footballer was concussed and stretchered from the MCG in a final, another footballer has got a couple of pretty important games he’ll either play in or miss depending in part on what we decide tonight. As importantly as any of that, there are footballers playing today, next year and in the decades to come who need to understand the basis on which this decision was made and the basis on which we approach these matters generally. It ought not be assumed that this is going to be some watershed moment in the announcement of the duty of care. There'll be an analysis of the duty of care specific to this incident. One thing I think we've all appreciated from hearing the evidence tonight is that none of us can quite think of a specific factual circumstance that’s identical. That's almost always the case. So many of the cases have subtle but important differences from the others. We're here to analyse this matter and this evidence presented to us tonight and we will take no regard whatsoever of the many and various views that have been quite understandably circulating about the matter. We’ll decide it only on the evidence. There's been a common ground about the high bump provision. I just want to make quite clear and give this instruction to myself and my fellow panel members. When we come to consider the rough conduct (high bumps) provision, it was fairly and appropriately acknowledged by Woods (AFL) that, in order for us to find that this was a bump, there needed to be a voluntary bump, not a bumping into someone, but a bumping of an opponent. THIS IS WRONG. NOT A DECISION BASED ON WHETHER IT WAS A VOLUNTARY BUMP. MAYNARD CHANGED FROM A SMOTHER TO A BUMP IT WAS CARELESS. IT WAS HEAD HIGH. IT WAS SEVERE IMPACT. THATS 4 WEEKS.

Careless High contact Severe impact Had options. Turn or arms out. No malice but that’s not the point. Involuntary but that’s not the point

Maynard grilled by Chairman Chairman Jeff Gleeson has popped in for a few questions. He wants more clarity on why Maynard thinks he couldn't have outstretched his arms to lessen the impact, rather than turning his body. "I think, with all due respect, the same outcome would have happened," Maynard said. "I feel like when I went to smother, it was a flinch reaction, and like I said, he was in my way." Gleeson asks again why Maynard couldn't have left his arms wide open. "I feel the same outcome would have happened because it was a collision. It happened very quickly. "I didn't see him coming down my line. I saw him to the right of me." If Maynard opts to be putting his arms out, there is NOT the same outcome. That’s wrong.

Gleeson. Wtf. That’s false. Why ask to confirm a voluntary bump!!!! It’s careless. There was a duty of care not to make forceful contact.

Grundy … it’s your time

David Mundy. 376 games of AFL “If Brayden Maynard was falling and that was Scott Pendlebury underneath him, I think he would make a different decision than cover up and just protect himself and not worry about the other player.” When asked by Adam Papalia what Maynard should have done differently, Mundy used all of his 376 games of AFL experience when building his response. “When you’ve jumped up and you’re in the air and there’s a player underneath you, you have the ability to almost catch yourself as you’re falling on top of them. It would have been really awkward and they’d have had a tumble, but that response has a much lesser chance of resulting in serious health concerns.”

if Cox did break Gawns toe the pies comments are … 🤣🤣🤣 incidental contact a footy act Gawn should have avoided Cox’s foot Gawn should never be playing after a prior foot injury 5 years ago Cox will deliver red wine and roses to max at home we hate Collingwood ( full stop )

And JT … don’t discount a player who is intense at the footy.

Absolutely. Two years of learnings. Two years of connection forward of Centre. Goodwin takes the premiership glory. 2022 and wherever 2023 ends are on his shoulders. He’s the coach. Blind Freddy can see the issue. Stop bombing the ball into a pack with a Hail Mary luck. Why can’t the 100% fulltime professional coaches see it and change it ?!?!? Two years!!! If the strategy is to lead, create space, lower your eyes to hit targets… then the players are either ignoring Goodwin completely or incapable of execution of a standard skill of the game.

How can Gawn not get 10 !!!?!?!?!?! Seriously. Was by far the best player on the field. Destroyed Cox and Cameron. They weren’t even in his shadow.

This just makes me angry. Really angry. Tom Browne Twitter (X) comments “There is no suggestion Maynard jumped off the ground to knock Brayshaw out. He jumped off the ground to spoil. A football act”. “A lot of people are talking about Maynard turning his shoulder. Jump up on the spot, and see how much decision time you have, when suspended in the air with your feet off the ground. Very little. Maynard just braced at the last moment, which is reflex in the circumstances”. Tom Browne is the son of Collingwood chairman and president Jeff Browne. Surely he needs to declare a direct conflict of interest here and not comment directly in such a one sided basis in his media role. It is quite sickening. The truth is : it was careless (he had options, but he chose to turn to bump not brace) it was head high it was severe impact there was a duty of care 4 weeks suspension is the final word.