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Lock in Smith if he makes it to 6.

Go away and educate yourself. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-western-bulldogs-dom-milesi-helps-unpack-how-much-work-goes-into-tracking-down-draft-prospects/news-story/7edfc0f463b359dec74c5a98d8b553c6

SWYL was merely relaying information he had heard. The only thing a SWYL will say in response to your little "question" is an opinion that is not particularly related to the material that was conveyed to him. But why must he answer at all? Have a lie down.

Does Mick Stinear harbour any ambitions in coaching at AFL? level? He has been very successful at VFL and AFLW and I recall Daisy Pearce rave about how good he is after our premiership.

I bet you would not be saying this if it was us.

One recovered, and the other will do also.

Query about his kicking technique. Seems to kick the ball from a high drop, similar to Trac. A bit of Frostball about him also, without as many errors. As mentioned in another post, he is a very modern day footballer - run and carry. That said, I think I prefer Lindsay's all-round game. I like the comparison to Josh Kelly, even Judd McVee.

Is Lindsay a high priority now that we have Harry Sharp? Maybe not considering that a key forward might be available. That said, stocking up with A grade potential mids/runners is a reasonable strategy when the future of CO and CP5 is unclear. This is one of the biggest calls that JT will make in his time at the club, IMO.

I agree. That is his quote, not mine.

Wow! And this is you saying just a couple of weeks ago that "There is an absolutely no way anyone can accuse the footy club for its lack of support because if anything the club has supported him to the tilt." and "The club has gone way above and beyond more then anyone on the playing list." Now you're slagging the club for taking predictable action and exploring Clayton's currency in the market. You have got all excited with a bit of "inside info" that the family is upset of how this has unfolded and "desperately wanted to leave for Geelong, but due to our high demand". Our high demand??? The inference here is that you believe them. Do you? Now you are saying that "At the end of the day he's the boy from the country who still has incredible strong ties to his country roots. He's desperate to stay out of media headlines". Inferring that he is a bit of a victim here. This sort of contradicts what you have said earlier "How about for once Oliver takes responsibility for his own actions and start acting like a grown adult for once in his life. He's 27, not an 18 year old kid". Which one do you like best?

First they report it as news that Clarry is being shopped around, then they pontificate that the football club is a mess.

I don't have a problem with these journos "reporting" the news, even if it isn't really true. The thing that gets me is when they get on their soapbox and start pontificating.

A much better interview by Tim Lamb. Was strong in his response to predictable questions from McClure. Liked how McClure became defensive when Lamb pushed back on his 'desperate to get out' comment.

To be fair, do you have any idea?

Good article by Robbo in the HS. Mark Robinson: In the professional era, Clayton Oliver needs to accept he’ll be a Demon in 2025 The Dees have walked a tightrope with Clayton Oliver and he can whinge and moan if he wants about a failed trade, but he must be ready to give his best to the Dees in 2025, writes Mark Robinson. Footy changed for many of us when Alastair Clarkson handballed two club greats – Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis – to other clubs at the end of the Hawks’ dynasty. The four-time premiership heroes became commodities and they were no longer needed by Hawthorn. With comforting words from Clarkson, it was basically off you go lads, thanks for everything. Professionalism has grown year-on-year in this billion-dollar industry, but this was a different kind of professionalism. This was a ruthless business decision from a club looking after its best interests. The romanticism of being a one-club player, and all those lovey-dovey words such as loyalty, camaraderie, integrity, respect and trust, didn’t mean much in the end. Clubs do what they have to do – in their best interests. Which brings us to Clayton Oliver. I’m bored of the Oliver headlines generated by certain media people – presumably having spoken to Oliver’s management – wanting the football world to feel sorry for the Melbourne midfielder. Oh, Oliver doesn’t want to be there and wants to go to Geelong. He will take a pay cut. And he’s cleaned out his locker. All because he’s upset because the club decided to shop him. Well, boo hoo. I find it difficult to feel sorry for Clayton Oliver. He’s got mental health woes, sure, but find someone in this world who hasn’t. That’s not being dismissive of Oliver’s issues, but it is the reality for everyone, for mental health is a national epidemic. Oliver’s may be extreme, but at the same time, he has extremely high-level care and assistance available to help him. For sure, Melbourne has had its challenges dealing with real-world problems in the cocoon world of AFL, but those challenges, in part, have been delivered on a platter by Oliver. That’s not sheeting home all of Melbourne’s off-field drama to him, but there is a question to be asked: Did the bad culture influence Oliver or did Oliver help bring the bad culture? The Demons have walked a tightrope with the 27-year-old for some time. Stupidly, they put him on a bumper deal that pays him $1.3 million per year when they were aware of his mental distress. His volcanic off-field behaviour may have come later. For at least two years now, Melbourne has tried to help him. Medically and psychologically. They have cuddled him and cared for him. They have forgiven him and they encouraged him and they have also eyeballed him. In turn, Oliver has let himself and the club down, although it must be said the Demons are thrilled with the maturity of Oliver throughout the year. Clearly, there’s people at Melbourne who wanted to trade him. And to think chief executive Gary Pert went lone wolf is laughable. And there’s people at Melbourne who don’t want to give up on him and they include the club’s stand-in president Brad Green. The fact is Melbourne shopped him. They let it be known that he was gettable if the price was right. As yet, there are no takers. And there won’t be this trade period. Is it any surprise that the Demons were open to the idea? They fluffed it by telling pork pies at the start of trade week, but other than that, they haven’t done too much wrong. Everyone lies – that’s another national epidemic – and they got caught out. So, it looks like Oliver is staying, which brings us back to professionalism. Football is a business, players are a commodity and, right now, Oliver is signed to a $1.3m-a-season contract. He can whinge and moan until the cows come home, but the expectation is that he returns for the 2025 season fit and energised to fulfil his contract at the Demons. To be fair, Melbourne people say that despite the past 10 days of headlines, Oliver understands the situation. And he hopes – and the Demons hope – and footy hopes – that he rediscovers the form that had him rated as a top-10 player in the competition for many years. Which brings us to Bailey Smith. He also has his mental health issues and also wants to get to Geelong. At 23, he said recently: “There’s a level of when you outgrow a place, or you just need a fresh change for whatever reason. I won’t get too deep into it. I feel like I’d be doing myself a disservice for the player I want to become and the person I want to become by staying in the same environment.” We’re all for self-discovery, but the Bulldogs, who spent years managing Smith’s complex world, are all for looking after their best interests. They want a pick better than Geelong’s No. 17, but that doesn’t look like eventuating. Don’t send him to the draft. Take the pick and run. It’s a business, after all.

You are most probably right. Do they think it's worth a day's sugar hit? And what if Jonesy declines the offer? More egg on our face.

This is weird. So who talked to Morris? Was Morris there??? Was the conversation overheard by someone else who then spoke to Morris? If so, why would they have Morris' number? Does this get us any closer as to whom the "leaker" is? Probably not. As I said, it's weird.

Yes this is correct. That said, the course is on hold at present and the revamp version will commence in Nov. Does this mean that Jonesy needs to have that certificate if he is appointed as a line coach? The answer I assume is yes. https://www.afl.com.au/news/1135524/coaching-co urse-on-hold-revamped-version-launching-in-november

I'm in the "let's not burn the house down" camp, as a lot on here would like to see. I will wait for the findings of the reviews, and if it comes back recommending meaningful change in personal and methods of operation, then that will be a good thing. That said, if it finds "nothing to see here," then that would cause me great concern.

I believe he should have been prepped before the media interview. I agree he was on a hiding to nothing.

Yeah, maybe I was a bit harsh, but he is speaking on behalf of the club, which according to some, created this mess.

I wonder if we might be interested in trading our P5 for P10 & P11. Freo offers their F1 and P18 for Bolton.

Do you think so? It was awkward and basically admitted that we can't attract players. How many times did he say, 'Oh look, that's a good question'. Half a dozen. We really do suck at comms and messaging.

Boy, the media interview with Tim Lamb came across as pretty underwhelming and awkward. We really do have a communication problem.

Yes. He never bagged the club, even through those dark years.