Undeeterred

Beams, Wellingham and Reid have all signed up, according to the Hun. Clearly, Cloke's moola is being spent elsewhere. He's gone.

Oh seriously, you are bloody kidding me.

Completely agree. Much better to get a proven star than retain heaps of 'quality' picks and hope they turn into 'quality' players. Been there, done that.

Very interesting that there is deafening silence on our out-of-contract list. Surely we are waiting to see how much we have to give Cloke before we get moving on that. Given we have to pay 90-something % of the salary cap, and we'd have to pay most of our players overs to get there, why not front load the cr@p out of Cloke's contract, and sign all the rest of our muppets (with a few apologies eg Jones) to something more like what they are worth? With Clark and Cloke front-loaded, there will be plenty of room in 3-4 years to sign up the quality mids we will draft this year to the wages they will hopefully deserve by then. I just can't see how this could be a bad idea.

Sure Jose. Imagine he dropped it pre-committal. How do you think that would go down? Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Ummm that is absolutely factually incorrect. Guilty means that a jury has decided it is satisfied that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused committed the crime. Not guilty means they aren't. That doesn't mean the jury doesn't think the person did it. Simple as that.

Why, because if he was playing for us he would have been odds-on to have a knee reco within 10 minutes or something?

Fair enough - I guess that's where we disagree. I reckon you can only go 6-7 max, and I can think of 6 to go well before Greeny. He's one I'd save for next year's chop, which, sadly, will be just about as big again...

I think there are one or two blood borne diseases other than HIV, which can be transmitted via cuts or, I don't know, wiping blood on someone.

You are absolutely dreaming. I can see 3 who would get a game for Hawthorn - Clark, Watts and Frawley. Maybe Sylvia for X-factor.

The problem is, if Green is the 10th or 11th player delisted or moved on (and I can think of at least that many who deserve it), are we going to get someone better with pick 1000 in the draft? We are going to have spuds left over in 2013 after the 'cull' anyway, and I'd rather have Green, who can at least provide a bit of leadership, than pick up another Kelvin Lawrence who is 18 and never going to give us anything anyway.

This. ^^ Remember how Cloke tore Rivers a new one last year, because Chip had to go to Dawes instead? Same deal here.

I think its pretty obvious. Sometimes you say some really interesting things, and other times you misfire wildly, for example by saying that censuring somebody for wiping blood on an opponent is somehow political correctness gone mad.

If we don't have many experienced players, which we all keep whingeing about, it makes sense to ask Brad to have another year. We are going to chop a hell of a lot of other players, as well. I'd rather have Green than, say Bate.

What an idiot. I mean, seriously, why???

Kinda sad that on the Facebook page, the club asked "Where would you play our 'ins'" or similar. My immediate response was 'Casey'.

Every time I read one of your trade posts I want to stab my eyeballs out. Just give up already.

Agree to some extent, but it got a bit frustrating for me too when every second thread I opened blind was links to this blog...

Bad day, Biff?? Have to say though, totally agree.

Collingwood aren't going to trade these blokes. They don't need top picks, they are firmly in the 'premiership window' and most of their best players are still relatively young. Plus, they have a good history of picking up good players with lower picks. Apart from salary cap reasons, trades like this just aren't going to happen.

Nobody from us (apart from maybe FAs), so who gives a rats?

Well, you did say 'No question', like you knew better than all the rest of us...

Has always been, and always will be, a dirty b@rstad. Just disgraceful - 'fairest and best' indeed.

Watts usually beats his man...

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