Undeeterred

Um, yes it is. If you cut everybody who wasn't up to it in one hit, we'd have 15 players on the list. Why can't people see this is a 2-3 year process? Dunn will probably go in the next 2 years. However, I wouldn't say he is in the first 10 out the door. Ergo, he stays. I think he's improving and is much better off the backline. Give him a job and a focus and I think he's much better, rather than playing him in the forward line where he has to make the play.

Frightengly, now that Carlton is tearing Essendon a new one, they look pretty good to make the 8. If they beat St Kilda it round 23, it will be down to percentage between them and Freo. So, it might depend on how hard Freo spank us as to whether Carlton make finals...

I'd rather eat horse manure than barrack for Carlton. Seriously.

Settle down - the guy has 6 posts. If it is some muppet that has been here for years go for it, but cut people a bit of slack.

Poor old BarnDee just found the first time in Demonland history where a poster has potted a player... BarnDee, just for you own sanity, I wouldn't open too many other threads mate.

I don't think anybody is suggesting it was the players...

To be honest, just because Cam Schwab says something doesn't make it true. Feel for the guy, but I just can't see Jurrah coming back. No matter how we try to spin this as Liam going back to be with his family, given the season was 'over', he left without telling anybody, and presumably was right to play for Casey for the next few weeks until the end of the season. That doesn't sound good, in my book. Good luck getting it together Liam!

Presumably you don't have a straight face. Because, just quietly, it would be complete lunacy to advocate with a straight face that the board sack Neeld three weeks out before the end of the season, when we are about to head into trade and draft mode. Will just repeat for everyone: lunacy.

Bye, bye, Ricky Bobby. Shame.

And Richmond, on the 'G.

True - I didn't think too hard beyond those named. Honestly though, if we are comparing, I'd probably take Cloke over Fitzpatrick, Cook and Williams combined.

Tell me that's not Jako doing a sit up... A photo showing that would be as rare as hen's teeth.

I think we've established that, despite the awesomeness that is Mitch Clark, you need more than one key forward target to get anywhere near success. Of our current options that you mention: Watts is best down back. Jurrah is a good chance of not playing again. Ricky Bobby is going to GC. Garland has proven he is a defender. Howe will be a mid. Sylvia is a running flanker. Trengove can't kick a goal from 40 out. Jamar can't kick at all. You are left with Martin, Rivers, Sellar, Bate and Dunn as your key forward options. Yes, we need Cloke.

No need to hang cr@p all over him peeps.

I can sort of picture him doing the Stuart Dew thing at Hawthorn and jagging them another flag...

Let's be honest. Most of us probably thought 10 goals was about par. The betting line was 50.5 points, so that's a good indication. When we were that far behind at 3QT, did anybody expect us to kick 8 goals in the last quarter? Losing sucks, but we are moving in the right direction. We were never going to win today and anybody who says they were realistically expecting us to is kidding themselves.

Yeah, don't reckon he'd have had 8 tackles too many times before.

As so often, 4 goals to none in the first quarter,when the game is there to be won, turns out to be essentially the final margin... Actually not a bad result, given the expectations of most of us. We'll do them next year with a full team.

Good on the boys for at least playing the game out. Could easily have been done by more than 10 goals...

Part of the plan. Go with a good team for a half, to prove we can. But make sure we don't risk draft picks by playing the whole game out and maybe actually winning. Lol.

Jones, Trengove, Grimes, MacDonald, Rivers, McDonald, Blease, Strass, Jetta, Green and Bate have literally had 1-2 touches each in the third quarter. And Sylvia... Statless after I stuck up for him.

Did they put chains on their legs at half time or something? How do you go from level pegging to 6 goals down in 15 minutes??

You'd think we'd have learnt.

Didn't Beau Wilkes pop up with a few last time we played as well?

Surely they jest...