Moonshadow

No aplology needed. Your second sentence perfectly exonerated the first. At the Saints he has about 4 roles (list management, leadership developing, match day and kp mentor) which may have been more than we or GCS offered.

Largely agree, JD. If he improved his kicking and 2 way running, I'd be a lot happier about keeping him wherever possible. I do agree with STMJ's comment about this core group growing together to be our future, but if there is any hesitation by a player about staying, I'd lean toward maximising trade value. Of course, I don't know if this is the case with Gus. If he's committed to the group, fantastic, if in doubt, do the deal. Hogan is an example of second thoughts. Whatever we might think about value for the Hogan trade, once a crack opened we did the deal relatively quickly. Obviously Hogan is not Gus.

Interesting how we each see things. To me he's none of these.

I'd love us to make a play for Shai Bolton

#everyonecanbetempted #noharmaskingthequestion

There is meth in your madness!

Pigs fly

Possibly. If they are after Patton, Martin or others they may need some cap space. Hawks always seem to pull off these ridiculous deals. But they also have a departing raft which might include Roughy, Poppy, Birchall and Schoey. 3rd rounder would be lovely, thank you!

Hyperbole, Theo

Whiskers Rioli???

MFC future 2nd round pick?

Not so. What i did say was "if it was managed well" which implies that we would put it to him in a way which might work for both parties. Doesn't mean he will. Of course he'd more than likely turn it down, likewise we might might not meet his expectations for another MFC contract. People change jobs and move interstate away from family.... stranger things have happened at trade time. I also have posted that I don't doubt he will stay. Not sure any other clubs would be interested apart from GCS. We'll nurse him through to 300 like the polite club we are. A few on 'Land have suggested any PP to GCS might come with the condition it is traded, to bring in experienced player/s. Who knows. My suggestion gives them Jones and pick 2 only moves one spot to 3. It's healthy to explore options, and on here to propose a few leftfield suggestions, whether they happen or not.

You are spot on correct gwd. But who are the A graders who want to come to us? Apparently Hill has said 'no' already. Langdon isn't an A grader. Coniglio didn't give us a look in. Appart from Max and perhaps Oliver, who are our match winners who can turn a close game on its head?

I don't doubt he will. We don't have the balls to do the deal

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You do know that we have to pay a minimum amount of the SC, regardless of who's on our list? Iirc 95% of the cap?

Thanks Doctor Jim.

For sure Jones is tradable, if managed well (though far from a certainty at MFC) Would I like to see him stay and get to 300 games and be a one club player? The romantic in me says yes. But romance won't get us closer to a flag. He won't play in a flag at MFC. Do you think Jones would want to stay because of loyalty or because he thinks he's weekly best 22? In 2020 he's not. He has a couple of years to add to a club like Gold Coast who struggle to keep experienced stars. He'd get one year with us, some of it at Casey. Fresh start at a young club, surf next door. I'd say it's tempting. 3 + Jones to GCS for 2 (Anderson).

Moneyball is screening on 7mate now, for a different perspective...

Me too Mel. It scares me that we have little to hang our hat on in terms of small crumbers, but it would scare me more if we opted for a 33 year old who is going down hill very fast. I'd rather have kept Jeffy for another year, and I didn't want that either!

What if GCS get picks 1 & 2 but must trade 2. Could we offer 3 + Jones for pick 2? We pay most of Jones salary for first year (about $170k). GCS need experienced player with leadership (!) And they get a little cap relief. Jones loves the surf, fresh start for his young family. Not dissimilar to Hodge deal at Bris. And no, I'm not comparing Jones to Hodge, just the trade. We get Anderson (2), use 21 on Langdon and a future 2nd on Amos. We've also ticked off part of the AFL rule about using 1st rounders over 4 year period. I wouldn't be against trading Brayshaw in a deal involving Hill or Cerra. We have enough inside mids. IMO Cerra will be elite in a year or two. Don't think Hill will come to us, though. Jones contract loss might be balanced out by Brayshaw out and Cerra in. Out: 3, 21, 2020 2nd rounder, Jones, Brayshaw. In: Anderson, Langdon, Amos, Hill/Cerra Maybe swap of later picks to even up points value.

Nothing wrong with what you've written, and it's a good case. I take the view that this season and 2018 have seen Betts fall quickly from being an elite small forward to looking slow, going missing for long periods and possibly offered up or even delisted by the crows. Eddie kicked 29 from 18 in 2018 and 37 from 21 this year. Before that it was 55, 75 and 63. Does he offer more than what we currently have? Maybe. But by that logic we should go for a raft of other old players past their prime (eg. Jenkins) because they've done more in 2019 than what we have now. Jetta May be an option. Others have suggested Viney, as we have many inside mids. I don't rate Viney's field kicking, but believe him to be handy around goals. Lockard looks lively. Not sure about Bedford. I just think Betts has at the very best one year left. He'd want a contract for 2, meaning that he'd be on a list at age 35!!! If no other relevant trades came up (Butler, Elliot) I'd rather put games into Lockard and Viney as small forwards If Betts took 1 year contract for $150k with incentives for 20 games or 40 goals, maybe. Can't see that happening.

Or maybe pick 2 or 3, Red

Started a bit later than most. He was drafted at 22 years old, I believe. Think he may have another 1 maybe 2 decent years left. I'd be for it at the right price. Think Clarko would want more than we should offer.

It absolutely does in this case. I think his career is likely done, or should be. I'll agree to disagree