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So who would be Obiwan and Darth Vader? Who's turned to the Dark side! As for Luke, at this stage i'd have to say Miller is the one who's thrived under Yoda's lessons!

You've got to wonder whether him going out there after he got injured made this injury worse, if it did then it's a massive error by the medical staff. Well done to him on getting out there, if was a fantastic and couragous effort by him but it's cost him half a season. I just hope he doesn't stuff up his pre-season.

Our ratio of passionate to bandwagon supporters is probably the best in the AFL, but we need to get the size of our whole supporter base bigger. Something that Big Jimmy has already singled out as the key to our long term future.

He's really showing something now, it's great to see all that potential being used now. I've never suggested we trade him, but i've always been unsure as to how good he'll be. Yesterday was a step in the right direction, if he can keep up the kind of work we saw yesterday he's got my vote. (Whatever that means!)

Yeah a good effort, i'd be interested to know what the club budgeted for.

Green - Best on ground. Nuff said.

It's plain and simple mate, next generation. I would be stoked to have Green as the captain next year, and i think he's earned it. But Brock is most likely going to be our main leader for the next generation and giving him the role as captain will give him extra responsibilities will solidify him in that position. IMO Brock has had as good a year as Green and has shown plenty of leadership through some difficult patches, so annointing him as the figurehead of the leadership group would probably be more about him growing into the role rather being the right person in the present for it.

I'm all for winning, and quite frankly as long as we stay under 5 wins i would be quite happy for us to NOT get the wooden spoon. Looking at it, how much of a difference will it make getting the no. 2 draft pick as opposed to no. 1? We (maybe) miss out on getting Naita and instead we get Rich or someone else we think is better, we get No. 2 in the PSD which will still put us in prime possie if Warnock elects to go that way and we don't get the shame of the wooden spoon. For christ sake it used to be everyone did everything they could to AVOID it! I LIKE WINNING! (Within reason!)

If that's not a statement to established players than i don't know what is. It's a ballsy call from Bailey, but he's not copping as much flack as i'd expect. While i'd still have him in ahead of Jamar, regardless of future plans, this really gies us a chance to have a look at how these two will perform together, because even if we get Naita or Warnock chances are they could still be working together in the early parts of next year. Good to see Valenti back in there, Bode needs to start showing something to retain his place IMO, and while i would've preferred to have Morton back in there ahead of either him or Bucks at least it's a very young team with very little game experience. Bailey's throwing them into the deep end and we're going to see who can swim. I'm not saying we're going to win, but i wouldn't count us out of it.

Brock © Bruce (vc) Green (vc) Miller Davey Moloney Jones was close, but he's still young so let him develop and then give him a leadership role.

According to Bailey, it's his stomach muscles NOT his groin. This guy just can't take a trick, why is it that when we get a real GENUINE talent he always gets cut down by injury. Can he please just be allowed to play! PS good to see they've reviewed the leadership group, Green, Davey, Beamer, Rivers, and Brocky are all great additions.

Tonight has shown exactly what happens with sam, the skit with him accending as the devil was clever as it took the [censored] out of himself. But what he did to Hutchy, who btw i don't really, with drawing on him is just ridiculous and was humiliating. I like Sam 75% of the time, but that other 25% he just a thick-headed bully. Without Eddie he has lost the plot and has no control. I can't believe i'm saying this, but i enjoyed it more having Billy as the "funny man".

It was good, i mean he showed that he doesn't really know much about the club (calling Bailey "bisket"!). But any publicity is great, and he was able to make light of our situation. If the allies win next tuesday i hope he attibutes it to his training with Melbourne! How funny was it when he was trying to scratch off Lyon's name on the locker!

You know i've been thinking about this, and a couple of years ago my dad lost his Demon hat when he went to India. Maybe this prince picked it up and has become a life-long supporter of our great club!

1. McLean 2. Green 3. Bruce 4. Wheatley 5. Jones If we get Davey fit i recon he'll make a play for the top 3-5 spots, Miller could be thereabouts as well, he's been much improved this year and is clearly a favourite of Bailey. Morton and Wona will fight it out for best first year player, and Garland would surely be most improved. Best Sandy player would have to be Valenti at this stage and i can't see him being chased unless he gets a regular spot in the seniors.

Not to nitpick or anything, but Big Jimmy didn't play a grand final. He would've played one had he not crossed the mark in that Hawthorn prelim (a heartbreaking thing to even think about). He's still ahead though!

Maybe someone should put in a call to the accounting department! Seriously though, the way i've understood this is that we've already committed about a $1 mil into the Olympic park precinct, it is our plan to have that as our full-on winter season training and recovery centre. Casey is purely summer, where we don't really need recovery facilities. Casey will be designed to get us out into the community pre-season in order to get us local members, but it's my opinion that we still have to keep pushing with the Bubble Dome project, and from what i've heard we can afford it. IMO to NOT do it will set us another 2 years MINIMUM.

Because last year he showed some great improvement and potential when the ball came into the forward 50, taking MOTY also propelled him onto the stage and while that doesn't PROVE anything because i'm sure some VFA players can get as high up, he was a great positive towards the end of a very bleak year in 2007. While this year seems to have been ruined by injury, he still needs to up his work ethic to get into the team. We need a big forward target and at this point he is one of the very few who can fill that void.

Our efficiency when going inside 50 has also been amazing, in that 3rd quarter against the swans we scored EVERY TIME we went in there! And against the tigers we had about 5 LESS inside 50s in the first quarter to the toigs and yet we won the quarter. I we just need to win it more in the centre, and then get a big bullocking forward to bring the ball to ground.

I see where you're coming from, and as a no. 1 draft pick he hasn't quite fully lived up to his reputation his position suggested. But as a servent of our club and as the no. 1 ruckman for just under 10 years i'd say he's given everything he's got, and IMO that center circle rule cut off about 2 years of potential dominance for him right in his prime. I agree with you that i'd have Jimmy ahead of him but there are few ruckman in the AFL who for 10 years would've been considered consistently in the top 5 in the league.

It was good to see him recognise Dunn's great efforts over the last three games, although some of his decision making and disposal when he's got the resembles a certain former Melbourne tagger i think he's shown some great potential to tag some of the key players in the game. I also liked the point he made about the young guns of the club trying to create their own history at the club, that 150 heroes dinner might have been the best thing that happened to these kids.

Exactly, AFL is a massively team oriented game. One player does not give a team it's power, they give the team their spark to fire. If Brock McLean can get a classy supporting act around him then he will dominate, look at Kerr, without the likes of Cousins and Judd around him he's forced to be the only "match winner" in the team. Hopefully that's where the likes of Morton, Jones, Maric, Davey, Bate and possibly our no.1 draft pick will come in.

Up against each other in their prime i would have Stynes a whisker ahead, but a very tough choice!

That would surely have to be one of the best consecutive ruckmen at one club, one won a Brownlow, the other has been one of the most dominant ruckman in the last 8-10 years. We've truly been spoiled in his area!

It's pretty simple really, all we have to do is shut down Brown, Black, Power, Bradshaw, and Johnstone. And then have McLean, Jones, Green, Bruce, and Bate play a ripper of a game. I would've thought that'd be obvious! Seriously though, I'm looking for McLean to have a good one after last week. He was very well held by a more experienced player in Kirk, so if we can get him feeding out the ball to OUR players hopefully we can push them. Ultimately what i want is for us to have a dip from the start and follow it through to the end. It really annoys me that teams are able to win the game through 15-20 minutes of good football, our young players, and young coach, need to learn how to put a halt to those blitzes. And for the love of god, can someone do SOMETHING about our kickins!