binman

I think they should have let Goody see out his contract, but that doesn't mean I think the board nesssarily made a mistake. My point really is that we simply don't have enough information to make an assessment on whether it's a mistake or not. Which is exactly why the success or otherwise of a new coach IS of great significance. If say we go with Buckley and don't make finals, or at the very least drastically improve our win loss record (which would see us pushing for finals all season) then the evidence will strongly suggest the decision was wrong.

I completely disagree with both statements, particularly the second. If the next coach does not bring success, and I would argue immediate success, then the decision to sack Goodwin, one of only four coaches that have won a flag in the club's 173 year history who has a proven ability to take this team from near bottom back to the top (near bottom in 2019 after making a preliminary in 2018) and completely retooling the game plan (ironically super attacking to ultra defence) and had not 'list the players' will be an epic fail. Just one reason why is that we have to pay him a million dollars on top of what i imagine will be a similar amount to the new coach severely hampering our ability to surround a new coach with the very best assistants and high performance team. If we don't make finals next year then the opportunity cost for sacking Goodwin, in addition to pouring a million dollars down the drain, includes the lost chance to say do another succession plan with for example Chaplin or Bruce (which I think would have been at least worth considering, particularly given that exact model brought the club its first flag in 57 years just 4 years ago). The board should be judged on its decisions. It decided just two years ago to extend Goodwin’s contract. Sacking him with a year on his contract can only be seen as an admission that was a mistake. If the coach they now appoint does not bring success, and I would argue immediate success by at the least making finals next season, then they will have made another mistake.

3 or 4 in 5 years is one person few and an another's bugger all

Exactly. And I don't really understand the knock on selecting who Chaplin and the selection panel think will give us the best chance of beating the hawks. I for one have suffered thru enough losses to the Hawks and the very last thing I want to see is a bunch of b graders been given a run for [censored] and giggles and to 'see what they've got to offer'. If they haven't forced their way into the team by now thru sustained excellence we know the answer to that question. And besides I also don't get the knock on the idea of ensuring Casey have the very best chance of beating Box Hill Hawks. Casey going deep in the VFL finals, hopefully even winning a flag would, for all sorts of reasons, be a real fillup for the club, particularly if we alsi have a good start to the AFLW season.

When was the last time a player went to the PSD because a deal couldn't be done?

Blimey, I'm convinced. MFC you have your coach!

Love it. Only two problems. Any coach, or prompter who thinks Schache is part of the solution can't be allowed anywhere near the club. There is only one Lever.

Bloody goody and his love for sharp. Wait a minute......

Me too. To protect against some lazy wannabee coach entering a prompt into chatgpt like: Give me a snazzy PowerPoint that includes a five year plan and minimum of two flags

I think you'll find that's Kenterfield (the er is silent)

Can't we all just get along? We have a wonderful opportunity for a full Demonland reset. The Goody is NOT the right guy crew must be thrilled. The Goody IS the right guy crew (of which I'm a card carrying member) have moved on - the king is dead, long live the king! Let's all rally around our interim President, acting CEO and yet to appointed head coach (*cough bucks cough*).

Yep, that's a fair call. If anything Bowser's field kicking has improved this year, particularly in terms of the depth of his kicks - for a little fella he can really woof the ball and unlike say Rivers can do so whilst still being accurate. Would you believe......

Judd is really important player for us i reckon. He has only recently been getting somewhere near his best this season but that is because his injuries completely derailed his season (ditto for Kolt to a lesser extent, Lindsay whose PCL meant he had a sub optimal preseason - the impact of interrupted preseasons cant be underestimated, partic for young players). By far our biggest need is elite kicks and when on Judd is arguably our best field kick. Totally agree that Judd likey wants to play half back rather than being the main small/medium lock down defender. And like you i suspect the only reason he hasn't is the injury to AMW who was primed for the key role of small/medium lock down defender. Judd's best position IMO is not a mid it is an attacking half back flanker that has the green light to run off his nominal opponent, be aggressive and push forward (would love him to be takin a high number of inside 50 kicks) and take on high risk kicks on transition that open up opposition's zones defences. That role has become one of the most critical in footy given how important ball movement is atm. A player that comes to mind that plays that role super well (and a player i would love to come to the dees) is Kitty Coleman.

Sooo, not blindsided...... Sorry, luci couldn't help myself (binman do better)

It doesn't to me. Since his sacking Goody has not behaved or spoken like someone who was blindsided. Hell, it's sounds like he's already lined up a new job. Anywhoo its a moot point, not to mention semantics. I just hope they announce the new coach soon so we can have a proper crack at the trade period.

Goody DIDN'T say he was blindsided, a point I just made.

If you seriously think the board had not already made a decision on Goody's future way before that board meeting then, in all due respect, I think you are being very naive.

Personally I think they should have honoured goodys contract and kept him as coach for next year. I think that because i agree with his and Paul roos assessment that we can be a genuine contender next season, in large part because I think goody has done a really good job implementing the new method and that work will bear fruit (I thought it was revealing he mentioned on 360 that he was confident of doing so because he had done so before in 2019 when he retooled our game plan, ironically from a high octane, fast ball movement method to ultra defence). But leaving that aside you are 100% correct jnr to point out the win loss record as being the core reason for his sacking. It's an immutable law of footy, all elite sports really, that lack of successwill eventually force a responses and the easiest of such responses is sacking the coach. It's the law of the jungle. It's why goody was surprised bur not completely blindsided. And it's also why Clarkson, whom many argue is the best coach of the modem era, will surely come under massive pressure early next season if the Roos rack up early season losses again. I'd add that if reports of us sounding out Beveridge and Roos way back in April are true that would suggest at least some on the board had marked Goody's cards and he was on borrowed time all season. Which may well be the lack of 'alignment and stability' Goody said on 360 he had not experienced this year. Which by the by is a perfect example of why focusing on the coach as the cause of a lack of success condem clubs like us, the bombers and the blues to being unsuccessful. Unless we sort our executive it won't matter a jot who coaches us.

Of course he presented to the Board, I'm not disputing that. It was a scheduled presentation and just like any such presentation by a coach to a board, particularly one 3 games pur from the end of our season, he of course gave his view as to where we are at and where we are heading. I mean what is else is a coach going to talk to a board about? The point us he wasn't pitching anything. As goody said on 360: 'I had a standard board meeting the week before, and didn’t have an inkling at that point' about being sacked.' If tha board had a different view about the purpose of that presentation, ie he had to 'pitch' for his job thenobviously didn't tell goody and they they are even more hopeless than I thought. And if the board genuinely think we need 'some kind of step or two backwards before it pushed forward' then they have zero chance of landing Buckley, or any other experiencedcoach fir tbat matter, as there'sno chance he's interested in a rebuild. And if that was the case, and as I said I call [censored] on it, then they have wasted everyone's time if they have, as has been suggested, had conversations with Buckley.

Thanks. I call [censored] on that. For one thing it is John Ralph. For another its a combination of supposition and if he hasn't completely made it up he is parroting what he us being leaked by a board member who has an obvious agenda to justify their decision. Yet another - if the club needs ,'some kind of step or two backwards before it pushed forward' tosh is coming from the board then it makes them.look like [censored] because it contradicts the general consensus that finals is a real possibility For example premiership coach Paul roos has gone on record to say we can win a flag next year. Buckley has said we can be competitive next and the consensus view seems to be he would not be interested in the gig if it involved regression and a rebuild. This is what Goody said about that board meeting, so not heresay or Ralph's game if thrones click bait musings: 'I had a standard board meeting the week before, and didn’t have an inkling at that point' about being sacked.

No it wasn't. I've heard nothing even remotely like that. Can you link to something, anything that goody pitched his vision for the team to the board after the Saints and that it completely tanked?

I'll def go to both of those games. And hopefully finals will be played at Ikon. And I might get to at least one Casey game (it's a three hour round trip by car so I'll probably combine with visiting friends on the 'ninch). But they have to get out of Casey - it's just too far away for most fans, not to mention the wind makes games so scrappy I haven't fully ruled out going on Sat night, but given I can get home and watch on the box on kayo and not miss any of the game it's unlikely. So stupid. If for example they played the men's game at 1:15 they would get a much bigger crowd, which makes for better TV and helps counteract the frustrating criticisms of AFLW that surface every season, one being that it's not as popular as it was.

George will be back. He is just taking a break for personal reasons.

I see your point - perhaps mess is too loaded and over the top. But I would argue there's plenty of evidence there are many examples of poor governance. The most important evidence is peformance. The executive (board and CEO) is responsible for setting the strategic direction of the club, it's goals and the actions to achieve those goals. All if that is articulated in the Strategic Plan. I came recall all the goals but i5 included on field success, increased membership, stability and a home training ground. Of those goals the could perhaps only claim stability as a success, and even then that clutching at straws given: We have an interim president who says he is not an interrom president, We have an acting CEO (who went for the job and didn't get it) The previous given a project management role to land the home base who has apparently departed the club (which i only learnt thru the press ladt week) Our CEO was appointed in April but doesn't start until after the season ends and Our President in waiting also doesn't start 'till seasons end It was telling that in goody's presser he emphasised how his early success was function of the stability he enjoyed, the inference clearly being he hasn't enjoyed in recent times There's last years review. How have we gone in terms of implementing its findings, whatever they were. One outcome of that review was we brought in Darren Shand to improve our on field leadership. That would have cost a pretty penny. How's that working out. They brought in Jones as a stoppages coach and paired him with another completey inexperienced assistant midfield coach. How's that working out And on top of all that the board should be judged by its decisions. One sych decision was in their wisdom they extended Goody's contact and subsequently decided to sack him with a year left on his contract. We are cash strapped and we are paying Goody a million dollars to sink schooners out at tge Sorrento hotel and get a cushy gig on Fox. Meanwhile that million comes from our soft cap severely hampering any efforts to surround a new coach with the best possible assistants or address any issues in the FD. And don't get me started on our comms! I have been trying to work out for days if Saturdays game is a member replacement game. Nothing from the club anywhere, no email and nothing on the website. So I assumed it wasn't. Until I got a text at 1pm today. Amateur hour. I mean do they want dees fans to go or not. And how about the value proposition for members? Thats all on the executive because at the end if the day the bucks stops with them. So whilst beinf a mess of field might be a litte unfair, our governance is well and truly in the same suburb.

I can't stand daisy Thomas, but he's right good clubs don't leak - unless they do so strategically. And by that I mean the executive doesn't leak (hard to stop plsyers leaking but if they are that's a symptom of a problem. People complain about how we get covered in the media and point out how the cats so often get a pass. But the reality is the Cats are as tight as a drum and either give the media nothing or give information strategically. The Cats control the narrative. The evidence is crystal clear we don't.