binman

Nah. Tracc was flying before Moore pole-axed him. And all things considered he had a pretty good 2025 season. As I post every off season I don't mind skimming all the trade and draft speculation, and think it's great the thought many put into all the variables. I particularly like reading Informed views about possible draft options But personally I don't really care, particularly about the trading palaver. And I don't really have an informed view about value of trades etc However I'm curious the consensus seems to be picks 7 and 8 is a bad deal. I get that the context is its Humphrey or picks 7 or 8 and everyone is super keen on Humphrey so perhaps 7 and 8 seems bad in comparison. But to be honest, assuming the Suns pay all of his salary, picks 7 and 8 for tracc ain't that bad. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe he is still a gun. But the reality is he is 30 next year, his kicking, which has never been elite, got worse last season and if I was brutally honest I'd say post injury he's still, 100% understandably, a little cautious in the heat of the battle. Added together he's a ways off his AA best. He may well get back to that level - and I sincerely hope he does whether that's at the dees or another club. But as a punter I'd give no better than even money he will get back to his AA best. In that context picks 7 and 8 is ok I reckon. And if we take those picks to the draft (Ie as opposed to on trading for a player) that's pretty exciting.

Really - who cares? I mean, other than you.

Ta AoB Kicking skills?

I'll confess to not watching a hell of a lot of suns games in the last few years. Humphrey seems to be a player, but can someone who is a fan give me a summary of why we should trade him in.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

More Laurel Canyon alt rock, alt country vibes for mine.

Not necessarily as your calculation assumes the draft is an accurate gauge of future relative performance. I'd argue that's only true for the top 5 picks, and even then, there are plenty of top 5 picks that become decent AFL players but are well and truly shaded by players in the same draft who were picked later in the draft. The handwringing about draft picks and purported salary offers does my head in.

Yes, well perhaps not as clever a way to make my point as I hoped. My point being i can't believe some posters think pick 23 is unders. Nibbla has barely missed a game through injury, his last three seasons have been elite, is widely respected for his training standards and leadership, is an aerobic beast who plays a critical role and is a premiership player. I thought pick 28 was unders for Nibbla, but nonetheless it gives us some sense of market value. Mcvee has plenty of upside, is talented and has more footy left but he'll do very well to be the player nibbla has become. So, if anything, pick 23 isovers for mcvee But you touch on an important point luci., one I wasn't making. Outside of say a top 10 or 15 pick the actual number is somewhat meaningless once filtered thru factors like how a club uses that pick (eg packaging it up, on trading it, using it on a player no other club is likely to take at that pick, points etc etc).

Yep. Remind me luci what draft pick did we get for nibbla?

Not good enough?

Allegedly. Not having a shot at you but it does my head in how in 2025 we collectively seem to have lost the ability to question the veracity of information that finds its way onto the internet, and even more concerningly seem to always rush to conclusions. I mean whatever happened to just taking a beat until all the information comes out before assuming something is factual.

That game is the one pictured (i think it came out in the early 70s). Pretty boring to be honest - but awesome, albeit somewhat misleading, picture on the front of the box.

No. But what a brilliant game that was - as crazy cricket nuffy i had that game and played it all the time. It was only way i could ever hit cricket ball though the V. And jeez my field setting was elite. Funnily enough a mate gave me the game in the picture above for my birthday last year.

Not keen on an argument, suffice to say both of these assertions completely fail the Occam's razor test.

It's funny - based on this thread that petition is just as likely to have been created by a Dees fan as a Crows supporter!

Spot on. As I've previously noted its a total win win situation for us.

He is indeed. But unfortunately, he plays a bit pretty too i reckon. By that i mean whilst we are in desperate need of a player with his kicking skills i have question mark over his intensity and contest work. Not every player needs to be contest beast, and perhaps I'm being unfair, but i feel like he picks and chooses a bit and i'm of the view that few players that are not instinctively hard at it ever really address that issue.

Jesus H Christ I would. I don't want that racist [censored] anywhere near my club. The dees have done a power of work in recent years to make the club more culturally safe foe Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islands people. We needed to as we were coming from a long way back - but are now leaders in this space. We were one of the first clubs to do a Reconciliation Action Plan (RAP) and are now onto our second iteration/stage of the RAP process (there are 3 levels of RAPs). We were the first club to use our traditional name for the area we represent - Naarm. Other clubs have followed as have organisations across the community. And i think we were the first club to create an indigenous jumper for Sir Doug Nichols round. We have also made meaningful connections with the Aboriginal community in the Alice and NT. By all accounts Wheels is doing a great job supporting our Aboriginal players. And we have supported our Aboriginal players to remain connected to family and country. There is zero doubt in my mind that a big factor in Koz sticking with us and signing a long-term contract is because of the club's commitment to cultural safety. The very last thing we want, or need, is Walker at our club.

Is this a serious post jnr?

Um Billy, i was being sarcastic. Players drive culture - good and bad.

binman: only a true crackpot would deny being a crackpot adonski: ok, i am a crackpot binman: he is a crackpot, he is crackpot! (PS - please land on anew avatar - I'm getting confused)

Agree. If Tracc wants to leave that is 100% on the club. The players bear no responsibility for the culture of the club. They are passive observers.

Ta. We need at least one or two more players who can regularly hit those really high risks (by the by I'm hopeful XL wil develop into one such player), particularly if we do end up losing McVeee, but players who can reliably hit those 30 metre kicks are even more critical i reckon. Games are won and lost on turnover these days and missing those sorts of kicks has a double impact - the oppo win the ball back and are often gifted a scoring opportunity, but as significant, perhaps more so, a potential scoring chain is broken.

He could quit footy.