binman

G'day Suns recruitment team - a PSA. The post above is what's called in the trading biz as a false flag. Classic disinformation. The dees are actually desperate to keep Christian.

So, you're telling me there's a chance?

Hah - not even close!

Sure, if we keep him. But that wasn't my point. My question was what would it say if they are offered a poor deal and choose to take it rather than keeping tracc?

For the sake of argument let's say that's a poor deal for tracc yet the club is willing to take it. What does that say about what our new coach and Football Department thinks about tracc in terms of what he brings to the club in totality - ie on field performance and off field contribution (eg leadership, role modelling, culture building etc)?

Fair points But we got XL at 11 and i think he will be prove to he one of the best in his draft year. No reason to think we can't turn picks 11 and 12 into two guns.

I guess that's what I'm really saying - is tracc still a superstar? Not on his 2025 form. And it's worth noting that whilst it's reasonable to fact the his injury into an assessment of his 2025 season he did in fact have an uninterrupted preseason (not to mention his red bull fitness camp) so it's not like he wasn't pretty close to his optimal condition. It's no sure thing he will ever again be a superstar that regularly wins game off his own boot.

Nah. Tracc was flying before Moore pole-axed him. And all things considered he had a pretty good 2025 season. As I post every off season I don't mind skimming all the trade and draft speculation, and think it's great the thought many put into all the variables. I particularly like reading Informed views about possible draft options But personally I don't really care, particularly about the trading palaver. And I don't really have an informed view about value of trades etc However I'm curious the consensus seems to be picks 7 and 8 is a bad deal. I get that the context is its Humphrey or picks 7 or 8 and everyone is super keen on Humphrey so perhaps 7 and 8 seems bad in comparison. But to be honest, assuming the Suns pay all of his salary, picks 7 and 8 for tracc ain't that bad. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe he is still a gun. But the reality is he is 30 next year, his kicking, which has never been elite, got worse last season and if I was brutally honest I'd say post injury he's still, 100% understandably, a little cautious in the heat of the battle. Added together he's a ways off his AA best. He may well get back to that level - and I sincerely hope he does whether that's at the dees or another club. But as a punter I'd give no better than even money he will get back to his AA best. In that context picks 7 and 8 is ok I reckon. And if we take those picks to the draft (Ie as opposed to on trading for a player) that's pretty exciting.

Really - who cares? I mean, other than you.

Ta AoB Kicking skills?

I'll confess to not watching a hell of a lot of suns games in the last few years. Humphrey seems to be a player, but can someone who is a fan give me a summary of why we should trade him in.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

More Laurel Canyon alt rock, alt country vibes for mine.

Not necessarily as your calculation assumes the draft is an accurate gauge of future relative performance. I'd argue that's only true for the top 5 picks, and even then, there are plenty of top 5 picks that become decent AFL players but are well and truly shaded by players in the same draft who were picked later in the draft. The handwringing about draft picks and purported salary offers does my head in.

Yes, well perhaps not as clever a way to make my point as I hoped. My point being i can't believe some posters think pick 23 is unders. Nibbla has barely missed a game through injury, his last three seasons have been elite, is widely respected for his training standards and leadership, is an aerobic beast who plays a critical role and is a premiership player. I thought pick 28 was unders for Nibbla, but nonetheless it gives us some sense of market value. Mcvee has plenty of upside, is talented and has more footy left but he'll do very well to be the player nibbla has become. So, if anything, pick 23 isovers for mcvee But you touch on an important point luci., one I wasn't making. Outside of say a top 10 or 15 pick the actual number is somewhat meaningless once filtered thru factors like how a club uses that pick (eg packaging it up, on trading it, using it on a player no other club is likely to take at that pick, points etc etc).

Yep. Remind me luci what draft pick did we get for nibbla?

Not good enough?

Allegedly. Not having a shot at you but it does my head in how in 2025 we collectively seem to have lost the ability to question the veracity of information that finds its way onto the internet, and even more concerningly seem to always rush to conclusions. I mean whatever happened to just taking a beat until all the information comes out before assuming something is factual.

That game is the one pictured (i think it came out in the early 70s). Pretty boring to be honest - but awesome, albeit somewhat misleading, picture on the front of the box.

No. But what a brilliant game that was - as crazy cricket nuffy i had that game and played it all the time. It was only way i could ever hit cricket ball though the V. And jeez my field setting was elite. Funnily enough a mate gave me the game in the picture above for my birthday last year.

Not keen on an argument, suffice to say both of these assertions completely fail the Occam's razor test.

It's funny - based on this thread that petition is just as likely to have been created by a Dees fan as a Crows supporter!

Spot on. As I've previously noted its a total win win situation for us.