binman

Sick burn bro

Of course it can. But the same could be said of every VFL/AFL coach who has coached more than a 20 or 30 games with a better than 50% win loss record. And of course, on that list of MFC coaches in the last sixty years only one has the most important stat - a flag.

Cool first 19 posts bro.

The dees are certainly testing the theory that all news is good news.

Good to get a win. Have to say I worried they might roll over tge top of us. Hore and Hanks both such pure footballers. Guns

Our website is a complete and utter joke. And has been for a long time. I hardly visit it at all. And almost never for club related info like match day stuff or events. It's beyond ridiculous that in 2024 a professional sporting club could have a website so embarrassingly amateurish. Symptomatic of our woeful comms.

You and i have wildly different definitions of the word great.

Agree. And whilst they're at it add the producer who seems to think long, fast cut video sequences backed by an uber dramatic soundtrack is some sort of artistic genius.

A mistake that got barely any criticism. The coverage was all boys will be boys vibe - which as much as anything probably speaks to a societal acceptance of alcohol misuse (the number one cause of ER visits by a country mile). Mills' stupidity ptetty wiped out his entire season. Was basically their only significant injury they had. Great leadership right there.

Definitely an only fans niche opportunity.

Forget something good, I'd yell praise the lord if he hit a target by foot.

A complete accident? Drunk as a mule and wrecking your shoulder wrestling with a team mate is not a 'complete accident'. It's a choice.

With all due respect 31 you clearly have not learned anything on demonland. Where there's smoke there's fire. Morris, and now barret have suggested he could find himself at another club. They are not going to just pluck that out if there's nothing to it. I suspect the subtext is curnow had issued am ultimatum - Harry or me. I suspect there might cultural issues. McKay wants out. Kennedy treated appallingly and wants our. Looking for a new high performance manager. Houston doesn't want to go there Question marks over Voss's future. Is he the one? Where there's smoke.

Can't eat value. Didn't lay off. Regretted it 10 minutes into the game. Luckily had a saver on the lions to win by +39 @ 7.50 which at least meant i didn't lose.

Let's hope there's another non coincidence next year - as in what happened the year after we last missed finals!

Absolutely. No coincidence of course that our two most successful years under goody, 2018 and 2021, directly correlate to seasons with a great run with injury Or that our two least successful seasons, 2019 and this year correlate with a wretched run with injury.

Agree we weren't far off. But with our woeful preseason, injuries, so many senior players clearly carrying injuries, and a third of the team kids running out of puff even I doubt we had the wherewithal to do win a flag this year. Hard not think it was a blessing in disguise missing finals - particularly if we land a gun at pick 5. On injuries, the Swans have been blessed this season - very much like we were in 2021. And anyone who doubts the impact of losing say tracc only need to see the influence of heeney in the finals. The swans almost certainly lose week one if not for heeney. They lose that game and they are no monties to even make the GF (ironically they would have played the lions).

None of which is to say it's not disappointing we haven't won another flag thus far. I'll go to my grave thinking we left one on the table in 2023. But a key point is the era is not over. We are in good shape to win another in the next few years. The Cats, swans and lions have a model that rejects the idea of bottoming out and stocking up on pick ones, but rather staying in contention over a long period of time. It is exactly that model that goody said he aimed to implement at the dees in his very first presser after being announced as senior coach. And he has been good to his word.

If you took a poll on demonland about the relative strength of our list compared to the swans, pies, lions, cats and perhaps even the blues in 'recent years' (so, for the sake of argument lets say the last five years) I suspect, when the outliers are removed the median response would be at best the strength of our list is equal to those clubs. And i think the consensus would be that all those clubs lists, with the possible exception of the blues, were 'easily good enough to win at least one more flag over recent years'. None have. On the weekend the swans or lions will win their first flag in recent years, meaning those five clubs, all with lists good enough to win flags have won the grand total of three in 'recent years'. And none more than one. Which just reinforces Smokey's point about the difficulty of winning a flag, and how much had to go right to do so. And it refutes the argument 'we have underachieved by not taking advantage of our position and the relative weakness of the rest of the comp'. In fact, in the 10 years since the hawks won the last flag of their threepeat, the ONLY club that has taken 'advantage' of the strength of their list is the tigers with their 3 flags. No other club in those ten years has won more than one flag (Dogs in 2016, Eagles in 2018, Dees in 2021, Cats in 2022, Pies in 2023 and swans or lions in 2024).

Thanks wheelo. I reckon you've got it right. In terms of a Brownlow bet, hate to say it, but even at 2.75 Daicos is value. Yes they didn't win as many games as teams with others in contention (cripps, neale, bont) but he doesn't have as many people taking votes from him. And his skills stand out and are right under the noses of the umps. He's my bet.

......and us pick 5.

It's our collective fault - angst is always a winner for the media. It's ever been thus - even before algorithms.

You won't be surprised I differ in my assessment of nibblas ability - he finished sixth in the bluey last year, and I'm guessing will be top 5, perhaps even top 3 this year. And if the pies want a first rounder for noble, late 30s for nibbla is way overs. Be that at as it may, I completely agree with you he's worth what the market says he's worth. Simple as that. If that's pick 25 then so be it (by the by, in a vacuum, as highly as I rate nibbla, I would peg him at 20-25, so 25 is pretty fair). It's the same with trading players into the club, both in terms of what draft pick we're prepared to give up and what salary we offer. Which is why I find the annual debate about the 'worth' of players all a bit silly.

The relative form of the lions, cats and swans away from their respective home grounds isn't particularly relevant in terms of negating the fact, as evidenced by their win loss ratio over say the last 10 seasons, that all three clubs enjoy a clear home ground advantage. But for the sake of argument, let's say it is relevant. All three clubs' records away from home would statistically be way worse than their records at home. That's to say, relative to their form at home they struggle playing away. Which supports not negates the argument they have a home ground advantage. Further, im guessing that two of the three clubs, and perhaps all three (not sure about the swans), despite being finalists most years, are underwater (ie less than 50%) in terms of win loss ratio at the g in the last decade. Take the cats. Up until their flag in 2022 they had made finals in multiple years, and made the gf in 2020, yet could not win a flag. It was widely discussed that a potential factor in going all the way was not being able to translate the method they used at KP to the more spacious MCG.

Fair point about playing away, at least for the swans and lions, but more about the travel involved than playing at less idiosyncratic grounds. (By the by, i don't think its a coincidence that since Kardinia park has become less idiosyncratic with the stands reducing the impact of the prevailing wind, the cats record has not been as good there). As I said, I rate all three coaches very highly. And I 100% agree all three clubs are super well run - which by the by is a huge benefit all three coaches enjoy, and arguably goody doesn't (making his very impressive record even more meritorious). But the home ground record of all three clubs in the period Fagan, Scott and longmire have coached means all three start each season with a solid block of likely wins (again particularly fagan as the lions have won something crazy like 90% of their home games since he has been coach). And therefore all three clubs are excellent chance of making finals each year.