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Gold, pure gold. I was confident that someone would bite and make a comment about the number of career highlights in the package, even after i had made the comment quoted above, but to be honest didn't expect it to be you PD. A little too obvious don't you think? I guess not.

A couple of nice grabs in there too! had to laugh though when the accurate one Leigh Matthews said how good his hands are. The anti watts faction - woops i know people don't being labelled Watts bashers for pointing out his flaws - will point out his career highlights seem pretty short

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipRmUx-W13I

Where's Wattsy? perhaps still to come out of the shadows.

From the Hun (apologies tried but for some reason could not get past the pay wall, so no link): JAMES Hird’s lawyer says the AFL is “reaping what it sowed” after the Court of Arbitration for Sport on Wednesday announced the Essendon drugs saga would spill in to a fourth year A couple of things come to mind. Firstly if anyone is reaping anything it is the essenden players - they're the ones who have to wait. And secondly it shows terrific chutzpa to blame the AFL for delays when Hird launched two appeals that stopped things in their tracks. Twice. Not to mention a better argument would be efc is reaping what it sowed given it decided not to take the cop in the way Cronullla did and instead elect to fight and drag things out.

Thanks,. The environmental issue is once you have factored in the materials and energy used to build and transport the machine and C02 bottles (not inconsiderable) how does that compare to the materials and energy used if you are buying bottles of carbonated water as i currently do. It obviously depends on how much you but but our household goes though a fair few

I was considering buying one but i'm not sold on the environmental or financial cost benefit analysis. Thoughts?

Good post. I'd add that we need those players you've mentioned to, in addition to getting 20 plus touches a game, run and carry more and deliver the ball long and accurately into our forward line. This is a crucial element to breaking the modern high press that most teams employ. The Hawks are brilliant at it When we did run and carry from half back last year we looked dangerous. Ironically one of the few who did it with any regularity was Brayshaw, who as you say is more an inside player. Lumumba and the Melk will no doubt be encouraged to play that role. I made a similar commitment last season about Watts needing to average more than 20 touches a game. Sure he needs to attack the ball more etc etc but i think that area of his game hides his real weakness, which is he doesn't get enough of the pill. In the six full seasons he has played the highest average disposal is 18.53 in 2012. As you say he has to get that to 20 plus to be the weapon we need him to be.

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Well he is so good id be surprised if he hadn't done it. But the similarities i see are: He's built now but actually Fyfe actually started his career with a very similar build to Robby. If RF played now he's put some muscle on too Both are out and out superstars Flower read the ball and the game brilliantly and just knew where to be. Fyfe has similar traits Both brilliant overhead. Flower was unbelievable in the air, something that often went unnoticed. Brilliant hands and incredible one on one, even aginst much bigger. Fyfe has similar ability Finished his career playing half forward and was a goals kicker, like Fyfe has had to do at Freo and says will have to do more off. But as PD has said was a golas kicker throughout his career. Just knew where the golas were. Like Fyfe Flower was a brilliant kick (and handball) from both left and right as is Fyfe Robbie had a standard and win lose or draw played to it. Incredibly consistent. Like Fyfe Robbie was a talisman and brilliant leader, respected by his teammates and opposition. Like Fyfe Robbie could, like ll superstars, turn games through sheer will and talent as Fyfe has done. Played through pain as Fyfe has done. In the 87 finals played injured throughout, with a broken thumb i believe and possibly a bung shoulder. Indeed as i recall played through much of his last 3 seasons with problems with his thumb and had to have pain killing injection before and during games Both players very courageous Robbie could sell candy to a diabetic and Fyfe aint bad either in this regard I could go on but that will do

You don't seem to be getting it, which is ironic given the debate is about understanding or lack thereof. To say that Watts is not having sufficient impact on games is evidence that the mesage is not getting through to Watts is illogical. It plain doesn't make sense. If Roos thought Watts wasn't getting the message he would not have selected him for 42 of a possible 44 games. To me that statistic is compelling evidence that Roos believes the message is getting through. But we're going around in circles and seemingly are not going to agree on this so i will retire from the debate.

He was dropped becase he wasn't playing well enough and in the last game he himself noted he needed to get more competitve, seemingly having heard and understood the message from the coach, who said much the same thing. You say 'the fact he was dropped for the last round combined with a healthy list means Jack is not a guaranteed walk up start for round 1', which is true (though of course no player is a walk up start, including Hogan if he doesn't follw team rules and the coaches instrunctions in the pre season). But of course that's not what you had asserted or what we were debating. For the sake of clarity you asserted: Watts didn't understand what was being asked of him by Roos Jack Watts was gifted games because of our injuries and the hope that Roos had that his message might finally be getting through. Both assertions are, by any logical measure, highly likely to be wrong.

That is complete and utter rubbish. As i have pointed out Roos made it clear no one will be gifted games. You insult him to suggest he gifted games to Watts. Roos has coached the dees for two season now. He selected Watts in all 22 games in the first season and 20 of 22 in the second season. Meaning from a total of 44 games as senior coach he has selected him 42 times. And you seem to be seriously suggesting Roos (a respected, premiership winning AFL coach) has 'gifted' him those games in the hope that 'his message might finally be getting through'. That is just a nonsense proposition. Pot Watts all you like but Roos obviously doesn't share your opinion and i'll take his over yours if its all the same to you.

Can we please have a Jack Watts silhouette that has tenth of it revealed every game he plays?

Sorry, still not sure what you are saying. So many words. So little clarity. A query though. Watts played 20 games last year. Don't you think it is safe to assume the coach would not select a player who didn't understand what is being asked of him? In fact if Roos has made one thing clear is that players will not get selected if they are not performing their role and doing what they told, that's to say a player better understand what is being asked of him (and carry out that instruction) or he won't be selected. So the only logical conclusion is that Watts understood clearly what was asked of him. Or perhaps you have another 'truth'? Sheez

No doubt a superstar. A loyal one at that. In the time i have followed the dees (i started regularly going to games by myself in 1977) he has been our only superstar (Schwarz pre knee injury was oh so close). I really believe he is the most underrated player in my time following football. He wasn't as dynamic (in the crash and bash sense) as a player like Carey or Matthews but was every bit as influential. Funnily enough i see a lot of Flower in Fyfe.

What was more ironic was that i initially misspelt ironically ... and changed it before you could point it out (note: misspelt comes a spell check error, whic is an error by spellcheck i believe)

And ironically didn't fix them all !

Are you implying he doesn't? On second thoughts i've got no idea what you are saying.

Great minds and all that.

Very easy to mistake opinion for truth. A mistake many people make, especially here on DL.

Yep, good points well made. I had forgotten yze made AA and he was always one of my favorite players. We could do with some players who kick as accurately as he could. You're also probably right about robbo. Both however were definitely part boys.

[censored]. utter [censored]. And i don't say that lightly. I can't believe the hate for Col. Bizarre. 150 games for our club. 150 games. More than 10 seasons playing in the red and blue and he deserves vitriol because he didn't reach his potential and was a party boy? he cheapens life membership? Really? Adam Yze, Russel Robertson and Travis Johnston. All life members. All players who it has been argued could have got more out of their talent if they worked harder. All party boys apparently. Do they cheapen the life membership?

I had to laugh when i watched the video where he nominated himself as the surprise packet for 2016. I wondered if he was poking fun at himself and his reputation or he was actually being sincere. Either way if he does go up a few level from last year could be an important factor in an improved season for the dees.

I can't agree. Life membership is for 10 years service. Col played for the dees for 10 years. Its not a value based award and doesn't cheapen the honor for Jones, or any one else, in the slightest. And jeez louise its not as if Col is an axe murderer