Dee-licious

Unfortunately FS is just before trade week starts to stop this sort of thing. Sorry about that.

6. Frawely - great presence and just presented all day 5. N. Jones - elite it is 4. Grimes - early on when we were clawing back he was the one clawing 3. T. McDonald - allows the best full back in the business to play forward 2. R. Bail - eating a lot of my own words 1. J. Spencer - in 3-5 years time you can just seeing having a Minson / Jacobs / Maric season

Not even angry they are not talking about us. Happy for us to be out of the media.

I don't know if you'd read these Mitch (to be honest I think you will) but I just want to wish you all the best. We are all thinking of you at this time and you have done something that will make more of a difference than playing football ever will. You will give courage to so many people out there struggling who need a voice. Thank you for everything.

6 Frawley (really strong against big opposition) 5 Dunn (gee he is getting better) 4 jones (just great) 3 Cross (so much midfield pressure) 2 Terlich (great kick and hit some great targets) 1 Toumpas (great cog)

6 Watts (He just seemed to be everywhere, regardless if he was touching the ball or not) 5 N Jones (what tag!) 4 Dunn (I didnt have him in best 22, eating my humble pie) 3 Tyson (great pick up) 2 Trenners (some errors but I like that he is getting amongst it) 1 Cross (11 tackles, didn't think he touched it enough but really laid some pressure)

Quite a good morning in the end. Good to hear from Neitz

That's more an indication of how good the top heavy talent is in this draft rather than needs basis. Lever will be the interesting one considering he may miss the entire season.

Subs are reset at half time in the nab cup

Wouldn't get Frawley - there is too much value in the backs this year. But I could end up eating my words. I have Grimes, Tyson and Clark but have had Viv, Strauss and Blease already this year (and Stef Martin which was a dark moment). I think there could be some great value for melbourne with the first half of the season being somewhat easier.

Haha I've had a lucky run. But I think I'm going to be burnt this year. All these training reports make me want to stack the ground with melbourne players.

And we now have worked out Salem's bulking.

Sorry boys and girls - cellar dwellers would like to cast my vote for afl

Just a question. Have you guys seen him play live?

Cellar dwellers confirmed!

Sheesh - with the scores coming out of the top 18 we have a good chance cracking the top 10 leagues!

There are ones I would pick before hand but not going to be disappointed if we pick him in case someone goes down

Some pretty soilid names in there. The PSD could work well for us with 4 spots to fill.

Missed Fox Footy. What was the Roos thing?

@jamesfrawley8 @jesseBhogan boys look out for the Brighton Grammarians Think we may have known early about this one.

A CROWS' young gun is making a name for himself as someone who can cope with the knocks, says Scott Walsh. In junior football, he was known as "Nugget". In basketball circles, he was "Mongrel". Now, at West Lakes, Aidan Riley is Adelaide's "Pigdog". As unflattering as all three nicknames seem, they reflect a common theme in the Crows' four-game greenhorn who is already making waves as one of the competition's hard men. Just ask colourful commentator Brian Taylor, who has already singled out Riley as one of his favourites, gushing during a call: "He likes doing the dirty things no one else wants to do, Aidan Riley. He takes the rubbish out, greases the car, cleans the fireplace; they reckon he's that sort of guy." The image was crystalised two weeks ago in just Riley's third AFL appearance, when he speared himself at Geelong ruckman Brad Ottens - 20cm taller and 20kg heavier - with a crushing tackle more at home in a rugby league State-of-Origin clash. But growing up in NRL heartland Wollongong, as a West Australian-born kid with Australian football in his blood, "tough" and "courageous" weren't always tags thrown at the lad who brushed the Sydney game of league for the minority code crudely dubbed "GayFL" in some pockets north of the River Murray. "I remember one teacher turned around and called him a wimp because he wasn't going to play rugby league," father Peter said this week. "That's the attitude - `what's wrong with you, you're not playing rugby league, you're playing that girl's game'. I had to take the teacher aside and politely point out that it had nothing to do with Aidan's courage or stamina, and if he had a problem with it, to speak to his parents." It has been a 12-year ride - against the odds, defying his location and bucking the popular practice of schoolmates - for Riley to become an overnight AFL success. The story goes something like this: WA-born kid takes up Auskick after his family moves to Wollongong; limited number of junior teams means he plays under-10s as a seven-year-old; talent recognised as a 12-year-old with selection in a Sydney Swans junior academy; accepted at Illawarra Sport High School as a top basketball prospect; Dad has to coach school footy teams because school refuses to teach the "girl's game"; plays first senior match in Sydney league as a 15-year-old; consistently selected at regional representative level until spotted by Crows' recruiter Matt Rendell and snapped up under the NSW scholarship program. In doing so, Riley became the first player from Wollongong - Australia's ninth largest city - to land on an AFL list. "He's just got a trait in him that's come from the family - they're fighters," mum Sharon said. Peter added: "We've always been AFL supporters. "But the understanding and exposure to footy here in Wollongong isn't like it is in Adelaide or Melbourne. That's the thing we were pleased about when he got the scholarship and rookie spot with the Crows." Riley's parents moved from northwest WA town Karratha to Wollongong, 100km south of Sydney, when Riley was a toddler. Both were West Coast fans - Sharon a converted member of Richmond's faithful, owing to her father having played there when he was younger. Like most kids, Riley tried every sport. As a youth he even made a train-on squad of 30 for Illawarra's regional soccer side, the Wolves - only because his mates had bet him $5 he wouldn't front. He admired rugby league legend Andrew Johns and Swans captain Brett Kirk - two figures whose influence shone in backyard scraps with Peter and younger brother, Connor. "Competitive, I'd say," Peter said of those early imitation grand finals. "That tackle on Ottens was a textbook tackle. "We were doing that stuff in juniors here. The difference is he's now got the build to do it. He's always been an aggressive player but the Crows have done a lot in giving him the skills and high-level coaching he needed." "We only ever had the one broken window - and Peter did that," Sharon joked. But Riley excelled at footy and basketball, at times spending Friday nights and Saturdays attending hoops carnivals across NSW before returning home for Sunday football commitments. "We must have covered thousands (of kilometres)," Peter said with a laugh. "There were some weekends when we'd drive 500km to Albury, do the basketball there on Friday night and Saturday, jump in the car early Sunday morning and drive 600km back to Sydney for an AFL game." The Riley family car is still racking up the miles - Connor is emerging as a baseball talent, but a carnival in Tamworth last month was cut short when the news came through that Riley was set to make his AFL debut in the Crows' Round 19 Showdown clash with Port Adelaide. "We got the call on the Friday, while we were on the seven-hour drive to Tamworth," said Peter, who works as an ABC radio breakfast announcer in Wollongong. "We were on the phone all day and wore out two phone batteries trying to find a way to get to Adelaide for Aidan's first game. Connor made the decision he would not play in his finals because he wanted to go to Adelaide for his brother's debut. We went to Aidan's jumper presentation and Michael Doughty introduced us and told everyone we'd flown in from the east coast especially for it. He said how his brother had given up his baseball finals in NSW to be here - so Connor piped up, `yeah, so you better do something good today'." It was Riley's basketball talent that fast-tracked him into his sports-specific high school - and onto the hardwood where teammates dubbed him "Mongrel". Like fellow Crow and housemate Kurt Tippett, he could have gone either way. But in his middle teens, after a dose of shin splints, doctors advised Riley he was doing too much. It was time to pick one sport and run with it. "I had a bit of trouble with my knees and shins when I was younger and they told me I was playing too much sport, that I couldn't keep doing all the training for basketball and football," Riley said. "The doc said you can't do it, so I had to make a decision." Riley arrived at West Lakes in time for the 2010 season as the Crows' second NSW scholarship experiment, behind key forward Taylor Walker. As a rookie, he was only elevated to playing status earlier this year through Adelaide's growing long-term injury list. He was immediately dubbed "Pigdog" - a moniker he believes he inherited as a replacement for departing midfielder Rob Shirley. "I was a bit unsure about it, but the year I got drafted was the year `Shirls' left and they were looking for someone else to call Pigdog," Riley said. "I guess it was the way I was going about my footy in the pre-season that they gave it to me." Riley said after making an impression early in his career, his next aim was to build promise into a long AFL journey. "For me, I'd love to be able to finish off the last two games of the year with the Crows, and then I've just set myself a bit of an off-season goal to come back in as good a nick as I can and have a really good pre-season," he said. "I missed most of last pre-season with injuries. "But I want to come back really sharp and have a strong pre-season and give myself the opportunity to play as many games as I can next year."

Articles on Aidan: Riley ready to rumble Nov 2013 - Aidan Riley will continue his rehabilitation at the Club. A strong chance to be re-drafted in the Rookie Draft, Riley isnt likely to do any football work until the New Year. Aidan will start doing bits and pieces with the group in January. It was a nasty injury, so itll be a long process, Poulos said. The way hes approached his rehab has been great, you couldnt question it at all. Well keep looking after him.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2013-phantom-draft.983436/ If we make it out of the bottom 6 we will have to take him with our first pick atm. But anything lower we should be alright. Helps when the other bottom teams are crying out for a big forward (and there are so many in this draft) and he's a mid for us though.

Very true. But they are based on the info we have at the moment - who knows what Billy will do next season. Erin Wisley-Black was meant to be first round this time last year and in 12 months just didn't come on like the others. Here's hoping Billy does and we get a steal at pick ?

Allir Allir Love his attack and run. 196cm key back who has speed. At 90kg I'd like him to put on some more weight but love him on the list. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-20/aliir-aliir%C2'>