old dee

Australian fair play.

Correct my point is he did not win the game.

When was the last time I wrote that I don't WANT a player to do well. Can't you tell the difference between discussing a player and canning one?

I don't think we are in trouble proDee.

Just goes to prove that ruckman seldom win games for you.

Same thing occured to me DA. I also wonder if he thinks he is a lot better than he is.

He may not be as good as he thinks he is?

Watch five minutes looks like ladies football.

Yep from the outset I said there is more to this than just the ball tampering.

I never said the board were not hypocritical DC. Just my feeling of why so big a penalty. You think they are excessive and I am confident the majority of the GP agree. I don't.

I don't agree the best way is to have meaningful penalties. Players like AFL footballers only understand one thing. Not playing the rest is a slap with a wet tram ticket.

They may want him to get game time. None last week and And an emergency in Bris means no game again.

Depends where you judge it bossdog. The countries mentioned are hardly the peak of the justice system. What it points out is how poor the previous penalties were.

Hope you are right we cannot afford another early pick to amount to zip.

You are correct it is only the first game and if Gawn could kick we would be still be without a loss in 2018. What troubles me is the faults of last year seemed be there in the first game. I guess we will know more in another 36 hours.

Hmm seems you are fired up about this Mr. Leg. Cannot share your enthusiasm for the poor hardly done by boys. Cheats belong in other places not the Aussie teams. If the penalties were a bit high so be it others might think more in the future.

You can never tell what is really going on with selection steve. Just look at Tyson the last two weeks, the reasons given for his non selection last week have suddenly been ignored. Why is he being left out? who knows and you will never get the real reason. I have a feeling he is out of favour but that is just a gut feeling I have no solid evidence. Injury has ruined his stay so far at the MFC I have little confidence that will change and as you say a no.3 pick !

Not sure why you have that attitude DAG 99% of what I have read is just discussing our shortfalls and attributes. The split is reasonable even. If you only want to read glowing reports about the MFC go to the MFC site. This is a fan site where people give their opinions and quite often they vary. And to your last comment. No Thank You.

Could not have said it better RN. You are spot on.

Massive leap there Dr. If you go back through my comments I have said we will play finals and I still believe that however I don't think we are a danger to the GF for the reasons I have stated. We do not yet have the 25 players necessary to win a spot in a GF. Let alone win one. We still don't have a match winner when the chips are down. If we did we would now be 1 and zero not the other way around.

Yep Good Friday and all dc. if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Very well put Jimcor2.

I think what has happened dc is they have paid the price for all the sins of the Aussie team over the last decade. All the bulling and bad sportsmanship of the last decade has come out in these penalities. For a decade or more the cricket board have been trying for better behaviour and now was their chance to drive home the fact better behaviour is needed. Why else would you take out the two best batsman for potentially ever? Warner will never play for Australia again, Smith may but after a year off and in his mental state will he ever be as good? All three will carry the cheating label till the day they die and they will carry it for all the cricket cheats internationally who got away with wet tram ticket penalities. The up side? Perhaps players in the future will consider what happened here and refrain from cheating I cannot see any other as we are going to be the easy beats internationally for the next few years. I am not happy about that but cheating and bulling by the Australian team must stop.

Agree RN but not on Viney very useful grunt player but I don't see the skill that players like Martin have and with his foot problem we need to find/ develop another or two because in 2018 He will give us little.

If that were the case why did we lose to the Cats? Gawn is not a match winner we saw that on Sunday. Most of the games we won last year were when he was out injured, Hawthorn proved for years you don't need a dominate Ruckman to win flags and Richmond did last year. The best Ruckman are the ones who do more than win hit outs which is his main claim to fame. Viney is a grunt player very valuable but I don't see the skill that match winners show, it also helps if you can get on the field. Oliver is very good in fact probably our best player but he ain't there yet it might help if he kicked a bit more.