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Strong words Jack I would agree with only one problem. The AFL will pour money into this for 20+ years At the expense of Melbourne based teams like North, Tigers. Dees etc. It will get up even if they have to lose a couple of Victorian teams in the process.

Pity he does not have the ball when he is "damn fast" and gets it so infrequently the "clean skils" don't mean much.

I am missing the same things mate. Outside player, probably be ok at Collingwood were someone could get him the ball. At the Dees you have to get it yourself. Even at Casey I do not see him shine.

Agree 100% WJ There is a lot of mean spirit around here some days.

Could not agree more, they are all average players IMO.

Over the last few years we have picked mainly skinny kids to fill major forward position e.g Cook. I will be very surprised if he was to have a big impact at senior level before 2014. That is 3 seasons /60 + games away what do we do in the mean time? Fitzpatrick looks to be injury prone, hope he comes on but has not shown so far he is good chance. Yes you are correct I am impatient, 45 years and counting!

BB I do not think it will matter what we do IMO the only thing to discuss is the size of the loss. We are on our knees waiting for the C D G. The next 3 weeks will probably tell us who gets dropped from our list for next year and get offered for trade.

You are right it took me 10 minutes to stop. Sorry mate but you led with your chin! You will get good odds on that 17 point win. IMO we will lose badly to the Cats because they are about 2 classes better than the Dees at the MCG and about 4 at KP. However I am happy for you to tell me I know nothing tomorrow night!

Sorry RR my error I mean't to type "promises" a lot. Oh well I am not perfect after all!

My God you Know that line! My problem is you cannot buy them anymore However I have switched to single malt. Not as hard on the Kidneys.

Careful you will be branded as a heretic!

-RR I am getting lost in this discussion. The simple fact is IMO we have only a few good senior players. A few guys like Frawley who promised a lot. A few juniors who show they will be long term good players. The rest are either average or it is too early to to tell. Can you give me any Idea when your "talented list" will show me they are the goods?

Not this year!

We got beaten by 10 goals and there is one change! Does this mean that this team is as good as it gets?

RR Judgement is a personal thing. You think we have a "Talented list" I believe the jury is still out. The future will show one of us be correct I hope it is you. The alternative is more of the last 40+ years. PS question anything you like about me but please don't try to win the discussion with "then either you dont go to games or see what you want to see and thats missing an awful lot". it is not necessary.

RR How can you be so confident in saying "Our Talented List" IMO we have a number of young players who showed they were good players in junior ranks. The transition is not guaranteed ) A select few have shown they have the talent to be A graders in the future. We have 3 -4 Senior A graders, the rest are B grade at best. I have seen little that suggests to me we have " a Talented List" Our performances suggest to me that Most MFC supporters over rate "Our List"

I was there Mate and the journey has been painfull. It is time the MFC showed tough leadership on and off the field. Unless we have a good last 6 games In 2012 IMO it is time for: - a new coach and Panel _ a new Football manager. - a new captain, if Green was not the captain would he have been dropped? - a high draft pick/ picks used to get a quality key forward.

Mate It is DB's plan. He has been the architect of our current situation. His coaching panel His team selection / recruitment We have a dream draw this year and in IMO we are playing worse than last year, we have not taken it up to any of the better teams this year. We either win against the bottom 4 - 5 sides or lose badly against the rest and little in between. It is put up or shut up time for me. He has 6 weeks left for mine. 3 wins and a competive result against the others is the minium for me. I am tired of the youth excuss!

I agree A few weeks back I suggested we should trade him while he still has some currency. Nothing has happened to change my mind.

Some big ones there MB 1 - I hope too. 2- Small chance 3- Gawn perhaps 4- No hope 5- No hope 6- One definately will. which one I have no idea. That has really depressed me now. My list 1 one win in the next three weeks. 2 one win in the next three weeks 3 one win in the next three weeks 4 one win in the next three weeks 5 one win in the next three weeks 6 one close game in the next three weeks

I hope not Redleg if we do it really says to me that all hope is gone. If we prefer a player who has been out for eight weeks with a leg injury to other fit players then we are truely desperate and have little confidence in our list.

It is heading that way for me too Jaded. By Monday 15/8 I will be thinking of the coming NBL season. Wonder how the Tigers are going to perform with their new player list? Looks a little more hope there for me!

They will definately drop before we win at KP. Had some in Indonesia last week. After four serves guess what? they are only bananas. Absence makes the heart grow fonder!

Are you that big of a masochist "stranga"? Fortunately I do not have Foxtel. It will be a slaughter pure and simple.

No you are not I wonder about the same thing. As well I think we are greatly over estimating the ability of a number of our players. It may well be that we simply do not have the cattle. I am tired of being told how young a large number of the players are. We simply struggle to match any team higher than the bottom eight. I have little idea if DB is a good coach or not. Why? Because I struggle to seperate our ability and his game plan/ability I do think we should be giving the better sides more competition than we are. Hawthorn was a ten goal loss Geelong we will struggle to keep it under that. Carlton will be a ten goal loss West Coast will be another ten goal loss. If those happen I suggest we have lost ground since last year. We have not pushed one of the better sides since Sydney in round 1. With our draw this year we should be doing better. What does all that mean? IMO We do not have as good a list as we thought. Who constructed this list? DB Unless we win one of the next three games or push a couple of these teams to close results it is time to move BD on IMO