jnrmac

He is Clayton Oliver.

That's a lot of picks to give up.not sure he's worth that many......?

Jetta actually has a good record of spoils against taller opponents. He made two spoils against Casboult that I recall were critical. Jetta is not expected to win those type of contests. The fact he does more often than not makes him a stellar defender in my book. So I don't blame Jetta in the same way I would blame Frost and Omac who are the tall defenders and if they lost the contest. They should win the contest more often than not. They don't. Our tall defenders aren't very good at it. You seem to disagree with facts.

Lin Jong toured Collingwood's facilities last year mid-season I believe

Undoubtedly but you do understand that Champion Data's tracking credits a player with a one-on-one win only after a kick that gives both the target player and the defender a reasonable chance to win the contest. The OP focuses on one on one contests and scores per i50 entry. We are last in the AFL at both. So if a ball comes in from a t/over to a player on his own that is not counted as a one on one.

Those that blame the midfield are simply wrong. We are 3rd in total clearances. We are third in centre clearances. We are 5th in total stoppages. We are last in defensive one on ones. Teams score 53% of the time they go into their 50m. Last in the AFL. Keep blaming the mids, or the fwds or the seagulls but you are wrong.

The earth is flat. If you read the OP you will see the problem I have highlighted. you simply cannot argue against the fact clubs score on 53% of occasions they go inside 50 against us. The worst in the AFL. We also lose 35% of one on ones in our defence, the worst in the AFL. If you want to shut your eyes and ignore that go ahead. I prefer to be realistic about what strengths and deficiencies we have. That we have largely kept teams to manageable scores is, I would say, a result of two of our defenders having AA-type seasons - Jetta and Hibberd.

You clearly haven't read the OP. And talk about making stuff up? You would win a gold medal No one has said we are the worst. We specifically are the worst in the two categories mentioned. You seem to have a problem with facts? What are you? Oscars mum? "No mention of Jetta, Hibberd, Hunt, Salem, Lewis"? Really? Did you want to read the OP again just to check that because its simply wrong. Again another fact that you don't like so ignore it. Oscar's a champ mate. Should be AA this year according to you. Well done.

No it doesn't. But a lot of teams have dominated us with contested marks around the ground to control the footy. CMs aren't just in the fwd 50. Watts can't take a CM to save his life. Trac, Gwn, Jetta and TMac are the few that I fell comfortable with in one on one marking. 2017 Marks 1521 (Ess 1st 1876), CMs 163 (Ports 1st 258) Hogan 41 Gawn 29 2016 Marks 1791, CMs 244 (yearly total) Hogan 149, Gawn 91

And if yesterday showed anything its that we are practically bereft of leadership at times. Can't have enough experienced players.

Where has anyone said Oscar should be dominating? Yours is such a gratuitous and condescending post. We all know OMac is young and hasn't played many games. You don't need to be Capt Obvious to work that out. He may well turn out to be very good. I personally don't think so but I am not writing him off. He doesn't have any traits that mark him out as a decent defender. He wouldn't be in the team if we had a better option. The fact is we have a leaky defence and we are woeful at contested marking and defending one on one. We won't go anywhere until we fix it. And if OMac doesn't make it, we don't have much coming behind him to plug the gap.

We are 17th for contested marks. There are no excuses. We aren't very good at it.

I have said all year our defence leaks goals. Yet again we got taken to the cleaners. The elephant in the room are our key tall backs. Hibberd has had a great year. Jetta is outstanding, Hunt has done well but OMac and Frost while doing some good things have been toweled up by bigger bodied tall fwds like Brown, Roughhead, Walker, Daniher, Reiwoldt, Casboult, Hawkins etc We desperately need a Lever. Facts are: 1. teams score 53% of the time they enter our fwd 50 - last in the AFL 2. We lose 35% of defensive one on ones - last in the AFL You cannot win finals with a defence like that. In fact you will struggle to make finals. OMac is simply a liability. May become a footballer one day but gets outbodied regularly, has no urgency or intensity and frankly plays a lot of dumb football. He flies to spoil and either misses the ball or or hits it straight into a dangerous spot like the corridor. Plenty on here bang on about what a massive improvement he has made this year but I maintain if we had a decent tall back he wouldn't be playing. Frost has some great attributes but makes a lot of errors spoiling. leaving his man, fumbling and taking on more than he can chew. We cannot take a contested mark to save ourselves. We rank 17th in contested marks. Clearly we have had to move TMac to the fwd line and so rob our defence but the evidence is pretty clear that he makes a good forward and so won't be returning any time soon. Until we fix our defence we aren't going anywhere. Throw the kitchen sink at Lever.

Given last year's issue with preliminary finalists you would think the club is all over this. The club has amazing data on players over and above normal footy stats. The GPS tracking can monitor sprints, jogs, overall distance etc. They know how many contests a player gets to etc. Any drop off would be looked at and a rest plan implemented. Having said that I have a sneaking suspicion Maynard might come in for Clarry this weekend.....

Kevin Sheedy is still [censored] we overlooked him for coach.....just sayin....

Petracca, Viney, Hogan, Gawn and OMac (just kidding about the last one...)

Rockliff also doesn't like the Dees apprently. We supposedly promised him a rookie spot and took Jurrah instead at the last minute....

Rockliff and C you next Tuesday are often used in the same sentence

meh....Carlton haven't beated Geelong at Kardinia Park since 1991

We are still short of a big bodied defender now that TMac plays fwd..

He did gain over 800m in the game. You should watch closer

4 to 6

Isn't Frost out of contract at the end of the year?

$212,500 a year? Seems OK to me.