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Just to continue this shortsighted arugment Under our current structure shouldn't the Board or the Football director be responisble for the Football Department preformance under 'Corporate Governance'?? Not 100% sure of the coaching/FD structure but i'd reckon Neeld isn't at the top of the tree... Just highlights what a poor argument it is Stuie - just run with I don't like Neeld and I will have more respect for you
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He looked ok - didn't mind his work rate and skill looked ok Will keep watching him wiht interest
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Haha stuie - c'mon mate Are you saying 2 opinions from two people in the AFL industry at the mmoment have no weight in this argument and your "Corporate Governance' (which does not apply to AFL football departments as they are not running a business) is more relavent. Take a chill pill brother... Otherwise you;ll end up sounding delusional and upset like Tona Neeld will be judged by the on-feild prefomance of the team I have no doubt about that- but a lot of argument against Neeld is misdirected IMO - eg you need the cattle to execute a game plan - read through preious pages I CBF repeating myself. To change a front running, zero defence culture is going to talk longer then 1 or 2 seasons
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I don't know what the actual statistic is but a lot of blokes don't make it dee-luded Sad but true.... I've liked what i've seen from Taggart - (all be it very little) I have hopes he can produce at senior level but who really knows
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I am not defending getting flogged in the first 3 weeks becuase that is un-acceptable What i've kept in both of your posts is the argument Player ability vs coaching..... Mark Neeld has changed his coaching style, you say Neeld has no idea - others say it's a sign of a clever coach. Let's see what happens in the next few weeks to see if improvement continues or the players and coaches are not up to it
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Thanks Rusty I will try my best...... Haha silly me using facts to argue an argument
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From the AFL web site - http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-25/neeld-better-than-ever Seems to be some unity from the playing group.despite the speculation. Look I agree with the Neeld doubters that Neeld has to keep the team competitive - losing every week by 100 pts is not acceptable..... But lets not make decisions on emotion, If by this time nex year no progress has been made I will be on the sack Neeld bandwagon - but until then lets give the boys some support
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Haha yes the past is well and truley gone - wright or wrong Bailey and his game style is gone, no point rehashing Indeed lets hope we dont fall behind again - Personally I think the fundemantal to all game plans is winning the ball - that is one thing the MFC has lacked a lot recently
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It's an old saying but a goodie Hardnut -'It's easy to run forward with the ball - it's a lot harder to run the other way.'. So I don't like your arguement at all Hardnut Under Bailey 2 things didn't happen - Tacking pressure and running the other way Although the Tigers are playing really good footy (Bailey esq) at the moment I'd rather play like the Pies then the Tigers - At the MCG saturday is a prime example. Another lame saying for you flair wins games - defence wins titles, and that can be applied to a lot of sports
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It's an interesting discussion point BH Are you accepting mediocrity BH?? I am not having a go at you mate - but for a long this club has needed someone to come in and lead. Because some haven't brought in (which is hard to argue after the GWS game) should we pack in all the hard work and just accept this club will always be mediocre? You point out Neeld has been good at changing the culture - is it just a matter of time before the wheel turns? If we pack it in now and go with a new coach are we just confirming this club is weak minded and mediorcity is acceptable? Is scaraficing a few players (a lot of them you could pin them as being long term under acheivers) for long term success? I don't think success under Neeld is a given - but if you refer to my post 581 is it all Neelds fault? The MFC for a long time (supporters and club) have just assumed this club will get better naturally i reckon. The rest of the AFL isn't going to donate us wins I am hoping short term pain for long term gaain while the likes of Gawn, Viney, Toumpas, Jetta, Evans, Blease, Bail, Tom Mac, Hogan etc all develop
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I agree Neeld has been too defensively minded in the past - but I am not going to lay all the blame on Neeld It's widely known the the MFC is 'Unfit' - hard to play consistent footy with an unfit unit. Also if you look at how footy is played now 'no stoppages' you realise the gains under the new fitness regime may not see fruit yet as the game has gotten faster - you can debate that argument all you like but it is accepted in the AFL industry and by our club I strongly believe that if Neeld can keep this team competitve for 2013 he can keep his job and he'll reap some rewards when 2 things happen 1/ Our young blokes who have played 0 -25 games get AFL conditioning and can run out a full game 2/ As a team as a whole we get fitter So to answer your question AF I think Neeld has gone more offensive as well (which is against his coaching style) to keep this team competitive in 2013. And I'd reckon people in the know (AFL media) would applaud this move if they realised it. Al Clarkson and Mick are two coaches who constantly change their game style to suit their teams and are regarded as the best coaches in the league Neelds not out of the woods (getting flogged is not acceptable) but if he can keep his job I reckon we'll see some hard work start to pay off... And I personally don't see this club playing his game style until at least 2014 - 15 when they can actually execute
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The sack Mark Neeld thread is pretty lonely this week it seems.... Just enjoy a win boys and girls after Sunday arvo this weekend I am sure we will have plenty to complain about
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I actually don't mind this point from T Shaw (although he is a [censored])- I say that because I thought Clark was good when we were under the pump playing as the loose man (he's a smart, agile footballer Clark) and I think he played the role well So in future if Clarke does venture back as the loose - Howe 1 out up forward could work Food for thought anyway
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Haha anyone but Neeld this week
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I guess Neeld is off the hook this week?? The witch hunt continues............
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mate i am confident I know where we are at - bottom 4 My comments are to you and the negatives on this thread and site - can't have your cake and eat it too - it's all Neelds fault when we lose no kudos when we win?
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What does everyone make of Moloney and Martin at Brisbane now?? Massive game next week
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I don't know any other way to say that was a [censored] poor decision by the umpires Clark had been warned for being hostile and was throwing his weight around - on that kick he bumped his defender and the ump gave a free kick for not heeding the warning. I acutally though I heard the umpire say 'contact Goal defence' - its not AFL it was pathetic
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Haha quality post
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Then you have to take your hat off to Neeld for saving the big effort for the last qtr I don't really beleive that - payers play - they coaches instruct but it dosen't always happen to plan You can't have your cake and eat it too Hardnut - when we are losing you can't blame it all on the coach then when we win not give credit Neeld is not out of the woods - but 12 goals in the last has to give us supporters and the players something to believe in
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yep credit where credit is due - Great game Garlo
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Will have to look at the tape - i hear what your saying jnrmac - where did that come from There was a lot of hunger and effort at the start of the last - i guess that lead to belief and it fed through the whole team, looking forward to watching that again
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Like this thread - N Jones bleeds red and blue
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Haha there it is - hatersgonnahate.jpg
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I guess now the question is when is the new tipping point??? I haven't looked too far ahead but a 10 goal loss to the lions wiill that be enought to see Neeld gone?? Clearly we are not out of the woods - hopefully the boys can put together a couple of qtrs against some quality opposition.
