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sure can !!

Id be very surprised if Riley remains there. After many years at Deeland Im sure he may want to find fresh pastures. it can never be easy to remain and work under someone who has beaten you for a position, esp now he has tasted coaching at the top level. Now I suppose the same may be leveled at Connolly but he will have an important role to fulfil in the footy dept.. Riley is a bit like a spare shag on a rock right now. I just feel Riley still represents an era that was soft/wrong.. and Im happy enough for him to move on. you know what they say...3's a crwod !!

hardly any REAL reason to keep a "coach". Coaches need to be effective. Just knowing who x y or Z is hardly commands the bikkies !! I have a suspiscion that Bailey has already built a far more realistic appreciation of most of the ( to be retained ) players than many people who should know better. Nupp.. let Riley go is he wants... no big loss...That was then...this is now

This is exactly the point. We have to be careful we make a deal going forward that is realistic upon realisable expectations and that we dont slide back into the abyss of past romantic style negotiations. Ftr I like Robbo. He brings many elements toa game , first he can kick goals( well at least its provern ) he will command a decent defender and he can be elctric...all good stuff !!! on the counter balance as described above by Rhino its probable his best days are behind him ( well on any consistent basis ) I am really getting edgy with players prone to injury and any reliance in team set up on them only to have then dissappear. By all means give him 2 as that will probably see out his useful career. otherwise bring on the trades. Im sure should Bailey and Co sit down with him and talk "Reailty" all things will smooth over. An indication of how hard nosed this team is going to be from now on will ( to me ) be demonstrated by how we tackle our own team, let alone the opposition

true JJC.. they may not put much on after 21.. and as you allude will vary from person to person... but if the lad is only 17...he's still growing !!

every chance he'd make 2m plus .. ya dont stop growing as a guy til approx 23-25

It would be unusual in any field to be overlooked for a position and remain under the incumbant. You 'd have to think he will move on. Still time will tell

I wonder how many of the remaining have sat up and noticed ?? Must have a couple of them gulping with anticipation !! lol. How much better in 2008 I dont know, but we're going to be a differently "mindsetted" team A few mind be feeling a bit ansy come trade week ..hehehe and about bloody time !!!!!

Keep in mind some are being kept as possible trade fodder

Unfortunately you only have to equate a name with the notion of tradability and some will come running at a gait with foot in mouth lambasting anyone who suggest more than a handful might be tradebait.. As DA suggests..youre simply tagging them ( whomever is looked upon as tradable ) as a "POSSIBILITY" as opposed to some others who you may not want to put onto the table. I tagged more than a dozen...They're just possibilities. In reality ANYONE is for the right deal.

strangely the only comment I can come up with is... I'm surprised that Neaves is delsited. I await further rumblings...More must be to come in some fashion...surely thats only the entre !!

The thing is you wont get rid of that many...as there simply wont be that many deals to go around. But the point is...they are there to be traded. All things on their merits There wil lbe opportunities for th eclub to deal at various levels of ability and experience. It will just depend on the direction this club wants to go> as an afterthought...Id change everyone if it would contribute to a Premiership...i really dont care who plays..who wears the jumper..its irrelevent to me. So whether 5 go..10 go..Im not concerned No ones going to convince me we have 44 at present who will win us a flag.

absolutely QC..with probably only one exception The idea that its always really open slather just doesnt sit well with some.. but youre dead right

Clint Bartram... Keep, but assess injuries going forward Matthew Bate ...Keep Daniel Bell.... Keep Simon Buckley.. Keep ( for moment ) Nathan Carroll... Retain but trade if viable return Aaron Davey.. . Retain, evaulate at years end.. possiblke trade going forward Lynden Dunn.. Keep James Frawley.. Keep Colin Garland... Keep ( evaulate for trade in year if not up to scratch..or good fit for us ) Simon Godfrey.. I year..then delist Brad Green.. Keep..or trade Ben Holland... Keep I year Mark Jamar Trade Paul A. Johnson Trade Nathan Jones Keep James McDonald Keep Brock McLean Keep Brent Moloney Trade David Neitz nothing to say ...lol Michael Newton Keep Ricky Petterd Keep Jared Rivers Keep Colin Sylvia Keep ( evaulate maturity at years end ) Isaac Weetra Keep...for now Matthew Whelan Trade, or I year Adem Yze ... Trade, keep if cant Daniel Ward Trade, delist Matthew Warnock Keep Ryan Ferguson Trade Heath Neville delist Cameron Bruce.. Trade or keep Chris A. Johnson... Keep Travis Johnstone... Trade or Keep Brad Miller Trade Russell Robertson Trade or keep Paul Wheatley Keep Jeff White Trade or Keep ( unlikely to be able to be traded as reaoity though ) Rookies Jace Bode... not overly impressed. ..leave as rookie if no one to take place Daniel Hughes .. leave as rookie, delist if better replacement Shane Neaves.. promote to list Daniel Hayes..delist

In a nutshell the club just needs to be almost brutally realistic. As any business will , you will stocktake your assetts and make some hard calls on their real values, not the heartfelt perceived ones and if required effect a massive write-down. Wheels would be a case in point for sure. May I suggest not too far behind is Beamer ( heresy I hear the calls.. clear headedness I'd retort!! ) The ol' grey mare aint what she used to be...and neither are some of the colts. its just reality. Im all for a fire sale and clear the decks. Yes Wheels mightn't fetch much in trade.. but better that than nothing going forward. Somer might accuse me of rounding up the injures and putting them in frontof the firing squad. I can understand the sentiment. No one wants to be the bearer of bad news, no one wants to be 'unthnankful" ..being un-matey etc...all i can utter is the argument of TEAM versus individuals. Its brutal.. Its needed.

possibly...some are just nom de plumes Id suggest..but conced your point. ( please place ''' ,,, and ; and (caps) to suit !! ) lol

lol... got to agree.. love the turmoil he brings to trade/draft weeks.. cant wait..got my chair , pie and esky al ready !! so thats 3 Chilliboy 2 to Demonland... those epics deserve something...lol 1 appiece to Rhino And Jaded....they can share.. lol. bout the only thing they would ...likely...hehehe...gotta love an opinion !! many special mentions could be had.. ( but I wont).. and for the challenged.... here's a package of punctuation; feel free to use ad lib : ...... '''''''' """""" and some ((( )))) there that ought to do

someone correct me if I'm wrong ( what am I saying..they'll be lining up !! ) A player can stil lbe traded inside the first 12 months ..IF...IF!!!! They agree to it ?

Quite possibly he may come away with a clearer understanding of his "position" and the realities of football life. To translate...he may extractus digit !!!!

line of the day !!! pmsl

Was a very disappointing Zebs yesterday for sure. I know this will sound ridiculous but some played as if they wanted to be somewhere else !! Williams got caught flat footed . His usual flair deserted him. Juice ought to have been moved up to CHF with the 'ok' to roam...at least until this pulled the game back our way. Some very VERY poor decisions made as a team. Some pretty good ones too...but lost amongst the medicority of the day. Goal kicking was... well.. there wasnt really much real goal kicking was there.. accuracy was attrocious. Cost the game really. not impressed with Bode. Seems out of depth. Am suprised BRB had him in the best to be frank. Sandy seemed to lack pace yesterday. all that...and sometimes you just have a bad day...!!!! NB seemd much better at using the ball.. They got a sniff that the Zebs were on the ropes as early as halfway through the 3rd I reckon.

trades are relevent to what you GET !! if what you could get represents a better value 'fit' to the NEW team.. then you trade. If you dont...you dont trade. Its not really that hard to digest

floating bone ?.. well thats a new one. its almost irrelevent what he DOES have.what ever he does ACTUALLY suffer from its not doing him any good. I cant for one moment fathom the logic of playing one of your stars knowing its causing havoc, thats almost on the border of criminal neglect ( let alone a disturigly short sighted approach ). But its not the issue at such ...its the result; he cant play out games. He cant play at 100% even when he is playing. None of this adds up to a 'quality' selection in a player. Didnt expect everyone to see this as it is.. please to continue

Well probably as per usual some of you may utter.. here come's the looney !! I for one want to put all this Judd cr@p to bed !! There are a number of things to consider.. and do this in a clear and rational way, not the way some of you carry on.. he's good.. damn good on days.. but these days he cant play out a game. He is struggling and getting worse. Some would sell their first born if he were to don the red and blue. Going forward he's not really worth a zack...well at lest not the million zacks he might get off of some unsuspecting desperado. Can we at least agree to be honest and clear in any appreciation of what he would bring ( even in the most remotest chance he were not to resign with Weagles ) . We must learn from our past abberations of common sense at this club, that all that is shiny is not necessarily gold !!. We got done with Hollywood, with Ooze to name but two. We let the rosey mists cloud our judgement. In light of recent appointments it sems we are getting cleverer. When adding anything to the recipe you have a simple evaluation; is it an assett or a liability ? Im going to suggest that to even for one moment chase Judd is to invite a mess. He would to me be a liability, in the same way Beamer is. Thats reality. I for one would like to put all this nonsense behind us and look to better value and more hardlined decisions come players. let the slings and arrows commence !!!

yep...here we go...a me too .. a mr/mz popularity contest...blah blah.. Ppl can get all warm and fuzzy together, have a big love in. Debate often occurs because someone has the temerity to oppose a popular opinion. If not for them...all will go to hell ( as is all demons goal ); such is popularism.