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The grand final ought to be just that GRAND.. its do or die on the day!! Extra time for me !! Then we'll see some extraordinary play perhaps as bodies pick themselves up for one last glorious hurrah !! Stuff coming back the next week.. only suits the AFL.

Ive always interpreted the Shinboner Spirit to simply mean..they never give up. They are like a rotten little terrier that will continue coming back to annoy you. They dont give up. I would say for the most part its quite true. North are one team you can never relax against. You may have beaten them for them most of the game, you notch back a gear.... and youre going to get beaten. Id say the original posting is no more and no less their interpretation on this and possibly last night shows that its not all cut and dried as some would think

Good job you don't use cliches !! and only stick the facts !! lol My understanding is an uncontracted player walks into the PSD with no compensation to the previous club. is this wrong ?

Spose thats the 64 dollar question. What represents the 'season; in his current contract. Would have thought it meant the 22 home and away games as well as any finals resulting from it. Possibly not otherwise how would WCE get anything. Always perplexed me that !! lol

If Judd is UNCONTRACTED why would Weagles get anything ??

One player is NOT going to be the panacea for all that ails Melbourne at present. Not unless you're going to clone him and have about 5 of him running around!!! Is he going to play first ruck ? Full back ?? Half back ? Please explain anyone how one player is going to magically fix everything, especially when same said "one person " is not a guaranteed start in all games? Apparently we are supposed to conveniently forget his groin/op condition. Well can't be too bad.. ITS ONLY PUTING HIM OUT OF FINALS !! Can not some of you see what is plain before your faces that he is more a potential liability than a you beaut fixes all asset. What guarantee would you have he would be even playing beyond one year? And he would need to be to warrant all the money, the loss of OTHER opportunities. But no, please run off and do the first thing that comes to mind all clammer for Judd. Judd IS good , when 100% fit but only so because of the supporting cast, the likes of which we don't presently have. I don't see to many answerig this dillemma.. Just let's get Judd!!! I'm going to suggest investment in a "whole " team as distinct from one Messiah running around. Also better facilities , better and more support staff will reap more and longer lasting dividends. I don't offer distorted arguments.. just common bloody sense, not dreamworld !! In case you hadn't noticed we already have a handful of groin realted concerns without going into hock for another !!

explain oh wise one ..exactly what I dont get!! glib remarks mean nothing if unsubstantiated and all you offer is get Judd get Judd get Judd. Nothing about how you fund it. Nothing about his less than 100% fitness going forward. , nothing about how he is not alone in his football, in fact you offer NOTHING as an argument..just cliches !!

some just dont get it .. Judd is good.. but he's part of a team. he has a little help from time to time from the likes of Kerr.. Cousins.. he's fed by Seaby's, Cox's etc. .not to mention the Lynch's Hunter hanson of this world... its not JUST him !! Where our rucks ?? 5 Million.. ...returned in membership..say 150 a pop.. that would be ...oh ...let me think.. a bit over 30000 ...!! what kind of stupidity is this. Yes you reap by investment, but at last look we didnt have 5 million to spend on a SINGLE player. We have to be alot more inventive and resourceful . To conjur up a fortune to throw at someone and thenpresto instant preniership.. honestly ...your either fools or intellectually challenged !! It just doesnt work that way. Judd isnt alone in this universe.. there are others..

Makes such wonderful sense.. we're a struggling club, but lets put all of 5 Million plus into one dodgy basket !!! I seriously question the grey matter of some people !!

please do...lol... thankyou.. hehehe edit...MUCH BETTER !!! LOL

Keep in mind not much happened at all last year. this year we have new coaches galore.. new ideas etc etcetc. I fully expect quite a bit from trade week ( relatively that is )wouldnt surprise me if a dozen or move get moved around.

hmmmm.. the thick plottens !!!! I hope Ratten and Riley will be very happy together.. ..like anyone really cares..lol its a good outcome for Melbourne...thats what matters!!

Is it just me or should the words 'mighty magpies' be banned from this site ?? lol At least WA makes a decent red.. so has a use.. the Filth have none. You sandgropers get over it.. This is Melbourne and we HATE Collingwood...all things come second to that !! :D

Some sage words Occo.. youre not alone in not wanting Judd. Thats not to say i wouldnt mid a player of his calibre ( when fit 0 . But its just bullsh!t ,all this rubbish about trades etc.. . 1) were not even in the hunt and 2) he'd simply be the wrong choice as he is. So for mine many need to get their realities reset and look to obtainable outcomes. Judd isnt it..and Im sick to death of it all to be frank. Youre also correct about beamer.. a hard choice looms. Thats a reality. Too many folk get lost in the romance etc of this player or that player that they lose sight of the inadequacies f theteam as a whole and seem capable of forgiving all the tresspasses of one fellow whilst castigating another. We got a ways to go , and Judd aint it!!!

I doubt it too...but there are options.. Should always be at least open to offers.

by all accounts the Dees are the victims..( just defending themselves ) hardly the same situation as Sylvia..is it !!

just pull their pigtails ...theyll scream like little piggies !! lol Now..Erik...there's a Viking !!! pmsl !!

Iraq and Afghanistan might be the destinations of choice soon !!!

dunno...did he smack the bastards good and proper ??

this might be a very sound way to get an instant effect for a draft pick... Maybe pick 4 and 21 for someone like Ebert and the Crows pick ..is 10 ?

and so I go back to the point. If he's injured..or carrying an ijury that persists.. what is his true value going forward.. thats he's position, and that also of the club..going FORWRD. A primary forward needs to kick 3-4 a game, a seconday around 2-3.. so which was he? I concede he is still an excellent player when fit. I would still happily grant him a 2 year deal ( if he is appraised as a low injury risk going forward ) He just seems very inconsistent on the 2nd efforts.. but that may wel lbe a result of fitness as opposed to endeavour and effort .. same result though isnt it !

wasnt injured all year.. and Yes..when inured.. he is not full value, how can he be. If fully fit he ought to be capable of 50-60 goals a year..is 2-3 a game too much to ask for the 2nd up forward.. does he do that ?

Jaded.. I fully understand this sentiment .. however I wil suggest this is exactly what we DONT want. its time teh players had a very rude awakening to what is NOW.. its time for them to awaken to a New Order.. and the less of the old thats around I feel the better. They need to all earn their bikkies. The less 'familiarity " the better for mine.

to put it in a nutshell. Robbo when fit..is brilliant Robbo when injured is next to useless !! Put all the rosey coloured glasses away folks.. What WILL he be going forward.. not what WAS he in review !!! Thats the question

Pretty much what occured to me also !! I wish Neale all the best where ever he goes.. he's given and deserves a warm welcome whenver he likes ( socially ) . In this vein ( just in case you were wondering where I was going with this... you were werent you !! lol ) I see Riley also. To me he's a Danniher ver 2.1b. Riley and Danniher are like "Windows" to a club. ( all shiny shiny , bells and whilstles.. and constantly disapponts when you rely on it ) I want something more like a "Linux" and thats what Bailey and whoever he brings in will be I feel. Nothing quite so glamourous and shiny .. but something that works !! I dont think it did with Mark. Personally he would have earnt far more brownie points if he had coached us to a better draft selction.. but thats by and by now. what ever Riley was bringing to the equation it just wasnt quite right. If he stays ..he stays.. If he goes Im happy for new eyes and thinking to take up the slack. I'm pretty sure Mark will move on..and like Neale.. I wish him all the best and thanks for the effort