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beelzebub

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  1. how does it go...oh yeah.....give him enough rope ...
  2. not even finals yet and the fun and games start.... gotta love it !!! heheh look and listen by all means....but use your brains people !!...where is the logic, sense or gain ?...there is none...hence no move.
  3. Both teams are playing for a bigger prize than the 4pts next game. Why is anyone surprised at the goings on from either team !!
  4. what should be done is what's best for the PLAYER !!!!...everything falls into a queue afterwards. If crook or injured...FIX THEM.. teams canworry about fieding from whats left. Sandy are in the finals..we arent.. they wil get back a handful of players soon enuff..
  5. ruckmen overated ?? must be some other parallel dimensioned AFL I watch then !! First use of ball comes from a coherent partnership between rucks and rover ( midfield etc) to say Ruckmen are over rated is to me bizarre...as is anything Thomas says!!
  6. or... do a variation on the old Collingwood trick....start a fight.. but this time hope they take the bait..and pick up the pill and kick a score !! lol roll up...roll up !! its AFL Poison Ball !! :D
  7. ah well if you an expert in that too.. we all bow before !! lol There is NO evidence... THATS the point !! a confession does not make for guilty .... all the time !! and a confession to what. I suggest many wait til after the StK argument.
  8. Gods I think !!
  9. wonder how Kev went today ?
  10. think laterally .. Robbo will be taken off ..and subsequently not available for next week either !!!
  11. quite the interesting thread.. mostly because its all totally supposition as no evidence is really available ...other than the admission by Baker that the two were squirellig around and that in his mind his propping caused the impact. Well last tiime i reasoned anything like this I came upon the idea that it takes two to tango. I have every expectation that it was as much Farmers own stupidty as it was Bakers...Two ppl stuffing around one stops..the other collides. what ,Farmer was playing blindfolded ?? would Farmer be partcipant in a niggle ?? well does a bear....... ?? lol Short of any conclusive evidence, and you can bet the StKFC wil qualify anything Bakers has said, that you can hardly move forward with any charge.
  12. you'll find that about 90% of White's ruck wins are at throw ins. He can use his nouse there. In the middle he is eclipsed other than the times he meets inferior opposition. In the middle he would be soundly beaten overall.
  13. want to make this THE game of the year ?? Get them to exhange jumpers at the startof game.. They are effectively playing for the opposition !! loll Then they'll play to win...hehehe
  14. It not even a matter of Jeffs work rate..for its pretty good. The lad does try.. and he is effective around the ground. He is simply too short ( beleive it or not ) for the main role now. The rules changed and negated the influence of his great leap. He was obsolete overnight ( in the middle ) . We've struggled ever since. He will have to do next year though. We wont have any solution overnight. We simply need new ruck stock. jamar and Johnson havent quite met the bar so to speak. Near enough isnt good enough. So before we worry too much about our ruck coaching...lets actually get some talent in who will be capable and coachable. Horse before cart as it were !! This is why the draft is so important this year.
  15. short term pain..... long term gain !! nothing to be GAINED by winnng this match
  16. whilst I note the sentiment it really doesnt apply. We arent playing at AFL level. We arent expected to maintian our selves in peak physical readiness. We arent expected to uphold the values of a jumper etc etc etc..HEv IS ! No one is really going to care if he has a beer or two...but not too many elite athletes do during their "season" But the point is he is exhibiting very poor life choices which if left unchecked will form the basis of his off field persona....this will impact on the ON field player also. Again its a simp[le choice....be the player he can be ..OR the couldabeen pisshead !!...plenty of them around in life.
  17. He was fine.. He couldnt answer some questions and explained that. Given Healy was privvy to the procedures what was Sheeds supposed to answer at times?
  18. no need to cheat... just wrap up any injured in cotton wool and have them sit out last two games. Play who ever is left.. Its almost beyond being a choice anyway. Funny thing though...all those people who might label us as Tankers should we lose would be the same to wish their own team lose in a similar situation !! Id be happy enough if we came away with a better choice of pix. That will have a longer impact on history than one singular extra win at the end of a dead season !!
  19. if you were to consider trades for him...you wouldnt start telling him he's a monty to remain in red and blue...You say nothing more than you need to
  20. well.. I suppose I will take the part of the ol' fuddy duddy !! Get the boy some help. A good mentor. Then he decides what he wants to do with his life... be a champ, the makings of which he definitely has...or be just another has-been pisshead !!! If he doesnt look like taking the right path.. sorry to say..get rid of him
  21. Youd be cutting off your nose to spite your face not to acknowledge that the offerings having chnaged with Sheedy entering the equation might determine some bending of previous criteria. Though having said that he seems very keen.; still has the fire. I think it was Brey on other thread ( apologies if not ) that brought up the idea of Connolly possibly complementing Sheeds in the Football Dept's newly vacated mangers spot. This might actually make for an interesting teaming. I wonder if Chris would be up for it.
  22. Whilst many will hold dear a moments pause for the thanking of those that have participated in Melbourne's glorious recent decade I certainly hope the latter of the above holds true. Its the end of an era..and the start to a more successful one, shame as usual that some that deserved better outcomes wont be amongst it.
  23. What so many seem incapable of is extracting themselves from sentimentality and viewing things in the here and now. Given the limited scope of any real input by Adem in the coming year ( and in all likely hood his last at Melbourne whichever way you look at it ) why would you go all out to keep him. Forget all the mumbo jumbo ..oh he "WAS" this or that!! What is he now. What does he bring to the game, what value can be placed on his services, what level do you regard them as etc. Then in this cold hard light make an informed apprasial of 1) where Melbourne is going and 2 ) what is his role in it. He is at the end of a career. he is half the player he was. You can argue til the cows come home but his performances are there to be scrutinised. In the first half of his career he was great.. in teh middle he started to meander. In latter games he waxed an ained with occasional glimpses of "that " talent. Lately he's a shadow of teh initial persona. Injury and possible indifference have taken its toll. In any team going forward he wont be in our first 22. He is of limited value at present to the club. He is paid by the club. Its a job. A job he cant do at the elite level in a sustained manor any more.. This isnt any personal vendetta etc.. its juts reality. Too often the club is seen as some sort of nefarious football goodtimes extravanganza. Its not..its a business. Its mission is to win games. It does this by employing the best it can to carry out the various tasks. When you cant you move on. Its as simple as that. People then attach "conditions" to all this..."oh but he was this.. or "but he's given so much etc"...Given ?? no he's paid....They are all PAID !! ( 'cept thearious volunteers etc , but we're talking players , professionals etc ) You have to be a tad brutal in business. No one in sport comes into with any llusions that its a "love-in".. Its competition. The best survive.( well ought to ) to play and compete. Thats all. It really gets no more complex than that. When the ol' grey mare cant run no more.. its not given another race for ol' time sake. Its retired. The new colts etc take over. So to my original displeasure with the article and its reproted comments to Yze. Al that ought have been said to Adem in response to his possible asking of any looming delisting is.. ' Youre contracted for 2008 " that's it.. no qualifiers.. no allusions as to reasons, or posible inferred expectations of the club, simply ..you still have a job for now. Without a payout he wasnt going to be delisted. He had expreseed at various times over his career his preparedness to change clubs. So the club must have known he was still up for a move should push come to shove. It just seems like this club has no idea about bargaining etc. you dont play trumps that early.
  24. Good luck as you choof off to Hawksville. I wonder if this may have been prompted by the literal "seeing the writing on the wall"...i.e privy to the process realises he too may not be involved in the prospective incumbents's plans !! I see nothing untoward in tis ... possibly just a sound and reasoned decision. Pure speculation of course...but would make sense.
  25. He's certainly not worth the trade we might have got for him last time, but he will get something..if even a top up style late 2nd round or thrird round pick. This in turn might be tradable in the great scheme of thimgs etc etcv. His value may not be directly what we get for him but what he may help facilitate. That and the freeing up of a spot..and the saving of how ever many hundred G he is costing us ! That would be the smart move going forward.. get whatever you can and use it wisely as inverstment in a player who WILL give us more than the likely handful lof efforts we may see out of 13 in 08. Why did CAC have to say any of that at all..Ooze is contracted to Melb.. if he wanted to to be allowed to be traded all CAC had to say was..whatever !! By saying he is a needed player it infers to me he isnt on teh choipping block. We havent learnt to be brutal at Melbourne.,other clubs have.. we havent.
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