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who are we...Nord melbun Dees or sumpin !! lol

no one is saying he was/is the comensurate footballer. But what he has we sorely miss. his game would evolve with more time.. better play options up forward and a new coaching regime. His injuries have prevented him obviously from progressing. Love to see him back on the park !!

ditto must admit easier now and before Christmas.. coz id struggle after that !! lol

well Old...you'll certainly strike a few nerves here ..lol.. but am sure you'l expect that. I cant totally disagree with al lof that. But it now comes to a timing issue. it might have made sense to announce it beofr ethe last game this season and so reap the deserved accolades. I coulndt agree more that we have at times become far to Neeta-centric in going forward. The predictability made defending tad easier for the opposition i feel. when he was out the forward thrusts were more varied , just for the moment very unploished and unpracticed it loked. these inprove with time and mid week efforts of course. Im going to suggest there may be actually one last thing for him to do and thats the role of a true leader: TRANSITION !! I have no doubt this is his swansong year. As the boys all look up to its now to him that the job of handing over will fall....to whomever is annointed. Maybe he just sets the scene without any one person in particular but lays the road etc. I would hope he would still play most of the coming season. History suggests he wont; he's but one more serious injury from calling it a day. I agree a new look and style is needed and he ought to retire but i'm ok if he has a crack next year. He may find that the preseason actually does either of two things.. does wonders..or cements his course in cement. Keep in mind we often dont do things logically at Melbourne

I rate him too.. highly. would be marvellous to see the three Amigos ( McLean, Moloney and Jones ) do some damage in the name of the Red and Blue !!!! the oppositions wont know which way to look or go !! ( but Im biased too )

I have no problem with him coming back slowly...if he can come back. If good and prudent management can get him back on the track oand on the turf in a manner where he can continue to contribute in his wonderful way.. "halelujah " my concern is he may not be able to overcome his OP etc. basically rendering him a non-starter. If so its only reasonable to assume he wont be playing footy...anywhere. if there's a god after the judas debacle, then we deserve Beamer back

the master has spoken !! quickly add...some have no sense of humour here either ..lol

Keep in mind...its a job...and in many ways very unfair restraints are being placed upon these careers. You cant stick your head in the sand and pretend there arent needs and issues yet to be dealt with.

Id suggest if he cant get fully fit with us then he has no trade value and thats it...career over Am hoping he can overcome it.. love watching him carve through the guts. if not fit.. he'll need to be delisted.. just a reality

But there is a cap !! Always will be for forseeable future, so that negates the big spending at all costs.. any team will still have to have a list ...and pay for it . Who say we adopt all the restictions or clauses of the NBA ? is that entrenched in stone somewhere ? NO I would imagine like anything you look around at all best practices currently on offer ( and any suggestions made by those concerns to improve it ) and take on board the best elements and concoct your own Free Agency agenda. No its not the be all and end all...and it would be for all. But it needs to be explored as a viable avenue of player tranfers.

It was very tabloid by nature wasnt it !! ah well.. ""......we'll be putting a lot more resources into our development and coaching structure than we have in the past. This is not really my area to talk about but we’ll have probably a couple of development coaches, an innovations coach so we’ll be putting a lot more into our playing group to help them improve. """ gladdens the heart to hear this.... Build the foundations and then the rest will follow.. good stufff this. No cosmetic, quick fix rebuilding. its a whole redesign of the philosophy. this is good

not knowing who's actually going to nominate ( makes it a tad hard ) ...but if a genuine decent defender lobs up... i wouldnt care if they are 25, 26, or egads....ancient and 27...if they can offer 3 good solid years at FB then Id snag them

Please, Im not endeavoring to be mischeivious in this thread ,just genuinely inerested. I really like this bloke when he plays. He's no nonsense, knows where to 1) get the ball 2) what to do with it. He delivers into the forward line with such explosion and then there's the dreaded OP. It just worries me that even if we can get him somewhat fit , will we be able to get him match fit and if so how long will it last. And all that is purely form a standpoint of what we ( as a club ) get out of him but at what expense ? I really hate to think it would have much longer term ramifications to hs general health. Id love to see Beamer rip it up for us. Between say Him, a switched on Brocky and Jonesy.. we have one formidable clearance machine. I just have this sick gut feeling we wont see Beamer again and if a hard decision needs to be made , one that values him as a person as well as any potential contributions then it s better sooner rather than later so if theres any real knowledge of where he's at.. am sure we'd all appreciate it cheers

thanks for posting that guys...an interesting read. .CAC being quite the diplomat...lol as to the whole TJ thing... this bit all but summed it up for me """That's what I think his challenge is – to take all the talent that he's got and we've seen from time to time - actually bundle it up together and become a star. And leave the game when people say "that Travis Johnstone he was a really good player." """" onya CAC onya guys

nobody know how he's travelling ?

this is indeed the irony...its not actually that many are saying he's bad.. Just undeperforms to his ability. He has indeed played some stellar games.. but seldom teh whole season. He is/was respected in the club for his high ability and its this that he was paid hansomely for. So how would you feel to be shelling out for a Beemer..only to get a falcon most of the time.. ?/ A little underwhelmed perhaps ?? Nothing wrong with Falcons btw ( i have one..lol ) but its not what we're expecting is it ?

well then ....we better just get his dressing gown and slippers.. prop him up on the bench .. get him a hot milo and a copy of the record !!

food for thought Its reasonably well spread around now that amongst the scenarios and "problems" that Bails had to deal with during the interview appointment process revolved around a certain player TJ .. One can only assume he answered this dillmma to the approval of the committee. The rest as they say is history. People this is not a rash impromptu decision; its been brewing for a while. ... and now its finished.. we move forward !!

The Doggies are taking anyone and anything not tied down at present; wouldnt surprise me to see the Hamburgular line up in the pocket next year !! Big Red as a development coach... I do rather like that though... he does know and understand footy very well .

Anyone who cant quite get their head around free agency is really living in another century. Why shouldnt a professional be able at some stage ( after fulfilling certain requiements ) be a master of their own destiny ? Would you want to be told for the rest of your life where and where not you can work ? of course NOT !! and why should they !! Just about every other major code has learn to deal with it but good ol' AFL drags the chain!! how surpising. As example you could have it that a player needs to have fulfilled their initial contract after drafting ( so effectively their second contract fulfilled ) and they are their own. It could be time based as well. Say 5 years or 100 games might fulfil this. etc etc.. There would be rules govening allowances for inuries etc. This is not necessarily THE answer...just an example . Im all for free agency for those that have earnt it...seems only fair !!

For mine...here in lies much of the equation when evaluating players. We do so ( well many do ..I dont ) against the measure of the club itself instead on ajudicating againt 'league best " etc. Guys we'v ehad some pretty oridnary years with some extraordianrilly averagee performance within them. At times you couldnt really rise you head to speak well of any of them. I am quite happy to say there were definitely occasions when Trapper almost seemd like a lone wolf. There is no doubt he tried ( at times ) But often when the ol adage .."when the going gets tough etc. " Trav would let this get to him and he'd start turning in stinkers. I certainly dont want anyone to think he was alone in this though. Is it by coincidence that so many of us seem to to think hes been rather lazy at times. Trav's been good ( sometimes ) but he doesnt offer the same going forward and right now thats where his value will be judged. Apparently the rule at Demonland is now...its no so much what you might have done...its what youre going to do thats of value. Bails obviously doesnt think its what we want. I suppose time will tell.

Can anyone kindly bring up to speed on how this lad is travelling? Contract ... Injury /Fitness? Cheers

I could see a role for Pj as second up ruck. Like to see him rested on field up near sharp end rather that taken off all the time as is way of current rotations

I agree he's far from perfect.. . Defence is a team effort also. people have to know what coridors to block and what hot spots to guard...its not a one man show. I do however totally agree his knee is his achilles heel.. ( nothing like a moxed metaphor is there..lol )

Im ver inclined to agree. Watching some of his Sandy games he is vastly more verstaile than seeming alowed to work in his time in red and blue. I dont think either Neale or Riley used him to good effect. I at least like the idea of trialling him at CHF. ( at least he leads the right way!! )