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maybe a run to the top of eureka and back !!! :D

DD The reason I dared to mention Meeson at the risk of ridicule...or at least a decent censure is that he is apparently to all reports better than ded keek to play.. he is quietly [censored] off the the SA boys never really gave him a decent crack. he IS fit.. ..and whilst a really really good beepr is no gaurantee for a reuslt..it does mea that when others are wilting al littel..he will still keep going. I may eat CROW by the ton later next year but i think he might do okay.. pure conjecture i know !! Funny you mention PJ thogh..as he might really turn out the smokey.. many myself included expect Col to turn it up a nothc nextyear...but I have often thought PJ has a time a'coming and maybe 08 is it. I think with Sylvia its all in the head.. ...the sooner some one gives him a really fair dinkum vclout arround the ears and tell him to wake up the better. I somehow think that Bails already has. Either hi ho performs next year or Im bloody sure he'll be passing on trappers phone number as a potential roomy !! lol DD I know you and I see much differently.. we'l l just have to see ) >:~))

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/Default.aspx...mp;newsId=54118 Sean Wellman speaks of how its all going so far with reports ..so far ...so good.. still early but encouraging signs...etc etc etc. I suppose it could be fairly reasonably argued that its highly unlikely anything too different form this would be uttered. Still in reading the article one particular thing stood out for this punter : "The Demons have taken a different approach to pre-season training under head coach Dean Bailey and Wellman is confident the players have benefited from the change. “I think the players have really enjoyed it,” he said. “I think the feedback from the players has been very positive. There has been a lot of game-based training rather than just running laps or doing 1km time trials. “Dean’s really tried to incorporate the fitness into game-based drills because he’s obviously trying to teach a new style. It’s a really good opportunity to keep the fitness up, but work in that game-day stuff as well; I guess we’re killing two birds with one stone.” Finally... stuff all this fitnes at all costs approach.. we have seen how this fell over with some of our games !! Footy at the end of the day is about "PLAYING FOOTY " yes you need fitness and such in order to do it...but the "IT" is , and alwys should be about playing the game. Thankfully the new bloke actually wants to play the game and not compete in the Olympics !!! Halelujah !! all rather pleasing to hear

You might just be slightly underestimating how much respect ol' Junior has in th game. Just becasue he's not in the papers every day shouldnt detract from his efforts. Having said that a few ( more than a few ) have been playing below par. Our strength is not going to come from them so much. Too easy perhaps to forget the likes of Rivers, McLean ( on form ) Jones, Bartram coming back... Mr Aerobic Meeson ought to act a spring through the guts. I expect the likes of Slyvia to finally click. We may not be premiership material yet but were far from also rans. each to their own .. all the pessimists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All lof 'US" <<<<<<<<<<< go Dees

who's offering that??

well bugger all this spoon sh!t !! sportsbet have us at $3.00 for the eight... that seems like money for jam quite frankly !! will fund a few frothies !!!

he's got a bit to work on hasnt he !!

That be a fairly sound summing up of Oozes dillemma...or is it ours ? lol Somehting he , Yze and indeed possibly a couple of others will face this year is the "clean slate syndrome". DB is on record as saying he favours a 'position on merit' formula. I dont think we will see the painful and often frustrating scenario whereby players are given infinite opportunities and incredible lattitude towards gaining their starting 22 selection. The newbies and the 'other' young'ens are going to be taking no prisoners I suspect in order to get a look in. So the question becomes how well will Adem cope with fighting for a start each week. This has not been his modus operandi to date. Quite frankly I dont care who is playing as long as they are the best for the day. If Ooze can complete his reinvention as a comitted and effectual player then that's great, as he does have talent. However if as I and a few others suspect, possibly his time in the time is due for expiry then he will strugle. I have no wish to be right.. would rather we won

The Dees are doing their due dillegence with Sampi. Doesnt seem to be much excitement eminating from the Junction oval !! They ( MFC footy dept ) seem to be implementing better thinking at the moment and in that frame of thought i'll accept t what they decide on him. Cant say im terribly impressed so much. Fitness and body soundness seems the issue, not whether he can play, as he can.

In thinking about ol Frosty it occurs to me that a singular deficiency in his makeup is real confidence ( in himself ) . This could account for some of his strange behaviour and decisons with the ball. If a more 'agressive' Miller is one that has better understanding of his role and the necessity to act not hesitate then we might be in for better results........or...... I suppose we can wait and see

I have never said he wasnt any good.. I just believe he's hardly irreplacable. No one is that good at anything that youre not replacable. Its a team environment. Not so much blaze...as practical.. what are you going to do? There's nothing. I acknowledge your concern; I simply dont share it. As with anything in life regarding decisions, there are risks.. You simply try to understand them and manage them. That...or dont walk out the front door !! lol go Dees

Oh an English lesson.. am always open to education . Many and various meanings to evolution.. soemthing an evolutionary might note !! Dont get too bogged down in the syntax or you may actually miss the relevance. The club is moving, changing, developing.. I shall avoid evolving if suits!! He , CAC is/was just part of a process. He goes..life continues. I really dont see what anyone gets fussed with. He has given a value to his work, without dount, without argumetn. Just what that is actually IS up for argument amongst some. I dont really care for it ( thge argument ) one way or the other , that is in the context of efect as he alone cant be credited with it. Given he's been at the club in the same era as Danners iwould suggest one ND had the greater effect as he chose what to do with the toys as such. He too has gone ( and some would argue thats very much EVOLUTION !! lol ) Its suggested that those who have left eh club had done all they could...this suggest that CAC hadnt.. We dont actually know that...maybe he had. Maybe thats part and parcel of his decision to go ...who knows.. we wont !! and AGAIN end of day it matters not.. he goes.. we go on. .and the next bloke will do a job also. I for one DONT think that the recruiter is singularly the most effective in the grand scheme of things. I could be wrong.. happy to stand by that. I personally think the coach usurps the recruiter but we could digress here away from the path. Anything and anyone could be labelled an Assett.. By their very nature assett wil have a lifetime an then you replenish it. So shall we with recruitment. Many lament CAC's leaving...but I must be different.. all and sundry just play a part.. its how the overall package works. if the new "team" deliver.. then it really doesnt matter. Does it ?

youve actually arrived at the crux of the matter. he doesnt do what he can!!

you just get this funny feeling that Geelong arent going to know whats hit them !! ) Bailey is going towant to make a statemtn with his "First Impression" you only get one of those and he will be sure to impart its importance on the blokes. I really get the feeling that with the no nonsense approach that Bails seems to be about that the mantra is quite simply.."we are here to play Footy. We are here to play Footy.. we are here to PLAY !! " I suspect all passengers will be let off at platforms along the journey.. the train wont be stopping though !!! lol

The club IS evolving as its CHANGING !! simple as that...time willtell if for the better.. and even then it may be hard to sate all as we all tend to have differing ways of evaluation. In the wash of it all it matters not a fig really why CAC goes.. if he goes.. The end result is....he's gone !! Folk...build a bridge etc..!! lol We have five newby draftees.. a PSd to come..and 4 kiddy winky rookies to add to the pile.. thats 10 out of 44 that will not have kicked a ball in anger for the MFC that CAC had an influence on... So to say his efforts wont be felt for a while seems a tad blinkered. as MO64 rightly summizes there are OTHER factos re lists..and player recruitment..player development etc etc etc. We now have two blokes whose sole role is just that DEVELOPMENT.. surely this IS evolution !! The whole way we seem to be going things is different. The attitude of a ..oh we'll just put themaway for ever , wait and see approach is already on ready as being dipatched to the bin with the view that the kids can earn their tridents any time..its up to them..Thats a complete 180 The recruitment manger has a role to play..its integral and important...is it the end of the world if this changes.. hardly. Compared to changing the coaches and 25% of the players.. its only a part of the pie. Will Richmond benefit from a CAC...for sure.. but then the Toiges are crap..so they have to!! Heres soemthing for those who are still pessimisitic.. Lets see who comes along.. Lets see how they go.. and look back in hindsight and judge this moment in the clubs history. For me there is way to much over reaction to CAC going.. He's been good, sorry to see him go.. am I concerned....not one iotoa !!

totally ( almost..lol ) agree... but the answer is still NOT ENOUGH !! The thing is we ( well we all know who ) ARE judging him on what he HAS achieved Yze winning awards is like Murali taking the wickets record.. ....requires context of who was playing agaisnt whom..and with whom. there will never be consensus on Adem but am perfectly happy for him to come out next year and rub our collective noses in it...cant wait.. It would be a win for the Team !!

Id agree Buddy is a problem.. but he's not always on song..needs more a tag than a gorilla. Lynch might have go in search of ball a lot more next year as his magic B1 and B2 have gone. Brown is a handful no two ways about it.. ( geez wouldnt ya love someone like him...drooool !! ) . id expect brissy to be somewhere near us.. ( probably just under...lol )

strange.. I heard that interview and got a distinctly diferent impression.. He certainly didnt say we wont get him...not that we would. What he said was that Sampi was trainng as good as he could.. had improved and they would be all looking at the PSD and Rookie soon. Certainly didnt sound great for him ( sampi ) .. wasn't a categorical No either. just my take..

mate you might want to rethink that.. we now have people like Chris Connolly and Mark williams in the footy dept.. ..both very experienced and no slouches at observing talent. They will probably annoint someone ( not neccessarily them ) to the role.. And whoever it is will bring some fresh eyes. Thats OK This is a chance to actually go about this in a slightly different manner. Not fazed by this change at all..

These are very different folk. Green is a thinker ( wonder at times I admit..lol ) but he looks for cracks in the game to exploit..and at times makes them. He thinks more in terms of the game.. Ooze is purely results driven. He likes the look of himself on the scoreboard.. 'nuff said !!

I'll happily go oj record as saying what happened to Trapper ought to have occurred to Yze some years back. On a pound for pound basis Yze is more talented than Johnno. But the two are of a very similar ilk.. one has felt the wrath, one is very very lucky in my view.

apparently we're looking within our own ranks to develop someone.

without doubt Ooze is the closest thing to a Macedonian marvel that Melb has had for some time (yes.. I Know hes of Albanian heritage !! ) Its that very fact he is talented that irks many , myself included. In a sense he's like that image of a Big Mac... looks great... then you look inside the box and though its all there it doesnt quite seem to be as good !! He is sporadic at best, lazy at worst. When on song and in his littel "zone" is a delight to watch. when his antics havent resulted in any effect or worse a sqaunderd oportunity to put in then its terribly terribly frustrating and incredibly hard to get excited about him. Any talk about loyalty ( above the call ) is rubbish as he was perfetly prepareded to walk on occasions. I dont mind anyone milking a contract... but dont do A and call it B !! To this observer he waxes and wanes according to some tide thats not related to the predicamant of the season. Some of his 'tackles' and efforts are emabarassing , bith for ineffectiveness and in some instances sheer bastardry. Lets just say he should never win a brownlow with some of his indicretions !! Hes done ok in the past on occasions. He's polled well at times , esp when we were in all honesty crap. With his ability he ought to be a ridgy didge champion... He ought to be...but the's not !!...as they say he's not the Mesiah but indeed a very naughty boy at times !! He is opportunistic without being a game breaker or a play maker. The lad can do some things standing on his head... ( at times literally ) but if there were a player of our modern times that failed to deliver oh his true potential..then I nominate one Adem Yze !!

very much the case.. it ought to be treated as an opportunity not a loss. What is...IS...and what is is that he is going.. such is life.. NEXT !!! roll on 2008..9..10.....

mate youve modified the topic.not I.. And I was discussing it as was offered..youve introduced the other item of on filed performance.. That in iteslef is a very manifest effect but its not what this started out as..Thats the point Everythng you mention re the report is prety much right...it has to be its written in it. But spare correcting me form the actual topic of the thread . We all know performance will ( if better ) enhance opportunities etc etc etc....and i aggree with yo that that will have an effect ( let alone mor eof one ) than changing to any "United" way but that wasnt what we were talking about