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196 atm Jake Carlisle

why would CAC bother ? its not like anyone else is going to get him

This as the heart of my primary concern regarding this whole venture. Its lagging. This leads to poor deecions leading to total stuff ups If the AFL were to say that Western Sydney would join in say 2015 and map out their plan much along the lines that GC have followed then I could possibly believe there would be achievable outcomes within the scope that migt remain viable. For mine its al too much too fast , a bit like losing a lot of weight quickly via extreme measures.. its not sustainable..it comes back to bite you worse than ever. I still dont understand why they dont adopt a semi partnership with the Swans and run WS as their magoos for a number of years and take a close lok at whatreal interest and following the club gets. By all means have it that it will go alone at some apointed time so anyone investing either their loyalty or indeed money will see a ditinct course . If it flounders theAFL could readdress it but it would not have entered the competition proper at that moment and no harm done to the League (AFL ) proper. If it were to show signs it could inded fly then its entering with some momentum. It would have a real chance. The AFL needs to understand it wll getone shot at a team ( another Sydney team ) .Stuff it up and it will have done great harm to the sport in NSW.

Yes, fully aware thatthereport was at the bequest of the Taswegians. What compelling reasons did the AFL give.. none really other than its their bat and ball and will go play where it likes. It cited some worn out rhetoric about needing to expand to remain competive in the current context etc etc etc. It basicaly says it will...because it wants to.. There was no case brought forward to argue that it would pay, indeed it acknowledged it might take all of Linsay's trucks full of folding to 'ensure' some modicum of success. Rons warning is that there is the distinct danger of diluting the product up there, not embellishing it. They will be giving away tickets to GWS games just so there looks like there is a crowd for the telly. They give away thousands of tickets to Swannies games too. My original post asked the q of where is this team. Where is it. It wil have to appaear out of thin air in the shortest of times if it is to enter the comp by 2012. GC have been doing their hard yards, getting games into kids, playing a real team in leagues. Visit the GWS website team GWS and theres no one there..its all hot air and airy fairy motherhood statements etc. All smoke and mirrors. GC have been crawling, walking and now running. It all takes time and effort and people. Still cant see who or what GWS is ?? Can someone show me ? Population = interest ? based on what.. Adelaide has two teams, so does Perth.. they both have small relative poulations but are fed with States that live and breath footy.. Thats the litmus test.. an understanding and love of the game combined with many many many years of it being indigenous to the sporting culture. Nothing like this exists for footy in the West of Sydney. To suppose that all newcomers to the area will suddenly become barking mad afl supporters has no credibility.

Melbourne legend and former Sydney Swans coach Ron Barassi The AFL great said the right time to establish a second Sydney team would be when the market could accept it. "They should put the second team in only when they think the game can carry two well-run, well-financed teams. "They (the AFL) don't want to have two weak teams. So if you're going to weaken the Sydney Swans - and I'm not saying that because I'm a Sydney Swans person - it just wouldn't make sense to have two cot-cases up there." Im thinking he might have some decent insight to it.

dont think that jsut because folk turn up to junior games it translates into people following the premier codes.. It doesnt happen in NSW for Rugby...what makes youthink it suddenly will for footy?? Victorians follow sport with much more passion and vote with their feet.. Sydney is just bloody different. It just is.. I mean..ffs we get more to a rugby state of origin game in Melbourne !! than they do in either Brisbane or Sydney !!

Think GWS will work ?? Funny a Federal Senate Report says the opposite !! Sydney too weak for second team For those that seemto think Canberra cant or couldnt work , why not ? It has some proximity to The Ovens and Murray Leagues as well as the Riverina leagues.. Both of which have foundations and a fairly good following.

I dont necessaily agree with all that. Bailey is creating his own mould but he may well be open to trading for someone like Boak etc.. hes only what..21 ? Salopek..what..24 ? hardly mature ?? would still be handy in 4-5 years time. If we were to somehows hold 1,2 13 18 34 and 50 ..i would shop 18 and 34 for a decent player..keeping 50 and take your luck there as well as the rookie list etc. Melbourne will trade...many clubs are going to be active this year..they have to be

bout time cheers

Mate...was thinking exactly the same.....thankgod I neve need to be in business with a lot of you lot as many simply dont have any idea of due dilligence, of knowing your product, and more thepoint knowing the customers. Not everything sells to everyone. Strangely you say the same field... never heard of population growths ,people movements etc. What the AFL and obviously your good self seems to be doing is dismissing demographics and ridng roughshod and assuming money will make it all wel and good. It just doesnt work that way. Yes it is a somewhat unenlightened part of the world.. worse than that its an area with absolutely no history of our great sport. Try growing anything without fertile soil... it dies !! Sydney our Nations largest city also had no history of footy. It tried ..it failed with a start up. It needed the merger and even more truckloads of cash to prop it up. It struggles. it rates poorly ontelly up there. The memberships are alll but given away..and the following is more fickle than a lobbyist at election time. And yet the wisemen want to create another team in an area not only less fertile but totally barren ? It will fail..and it will fail miserably. It all sounds wonderfully heroic on paper...oh lets go spread the word to the great unwashed.. we are their saviours, come to spare them from the infidels of soccer and rugby. Just as Artic park eventually failed because it wasnt supported with infrastructure and beter development so too will this joke of GWS. Its ill conceived and blindly promoted....and most condemming its simply in the wrong place. Just out of curousity...all you who think this will work, do you know anyone who lives up there, especially in the west ? Ask them

lets for a moment shall we forgive the costs, Ground 20-30 milion plus.est.Plus int on loans and costs for amortisation ( 25years ).. FD "X"million x how many years plus on -costs. Players.."Y" x 5 avergae years plus on-costs. deficits..DEFIDITS etc. because there are no profits whenbugger all tuen up. Some maysee this as .."oh what does it matter, its justthe AFL, it has its ways, what canwe do" I see this as a total afornt to common sense. WhattheAFL squander now could beused to far better advantage to clubs already existing, or indeed those that dont but better placed. Make no mistake teh AFL will be propping this up for ever...for ever..or until they fold it or merg itnad admit it was just plaindumb in the first place which of course they wont...the spinners will come to the fore. They will of course atempt to balance it against perceived receipts via the telly. ...all tehy are doing is deluding themsleves and attempting to con therest of us. Just for the record..this isnt some sort of personal whinge.. It just annoys mewhen such anobvious folly is sold as the panacea for such gaps. I dont for one minute think Vlad is an idiot... ...no..he's far worse

Afaik...hes contracted...theropfre hes tradable.. sack him ?? bizzarre if true... manure if not

Sylvia isnt going anywhere.. hes shown by application and effort where he wants to be. Hes earnt his place in a future Demon Premiership side.

1) A culture of AFL .. living and breathig footy...you understand dont you there is such a climate on the Gold Coast...there upteen expat Vics and new gen that understand the game... Footy is Footy to them... No such thing exists in teh West of Sydney..nothing 2) many other Sports have thrown money hand over fist...but that doesnt always get you bums on seats...Ask teh NRL..ask RU..ask Soccer..ask Netball ask Baseball... theres a commonality amongst it all.. if it aint your [censored]...its just [censored] !! And no one wants it.. Build a filed amongst learned and converted brethren..yep..they'll come in droves.. Baseball built a you beaut stadium...in the middle of nowhere..actually Altona... might as well biult it in Colac for all the long term good it did. Money doesnt always work.. simple as !!

No it isnt ... it hasnt got the underlying infrastructure and culture.. i.e its like building a house on sand... theres no sound footing !!

Panos -CF

Other codes have learnt the lesson thatyou cant getanything to grow if there simply isnt aniota of interest in it happening. But eh AFL thinks its so much cleverer..They arent.. Just bigger wallets with bigger egos and blinkered understandings

Rhino...you have either obviously never lived in this part of the world or are simply ignorant of its character. many propsoe the idea of a second club there simply on the basis that it looks good on paper...welll Imtelling you..and anyone else from Sydney or who has lived or worked there, espeically in teh west will tell you thatno matter how yo fold thatbit of paper...it wont fly !! Canberra may be a backwater of sorts but it can still get near 10000 to a game..and they arent even THEIR teams.. ACT is at least a land of 8 posts on green ovals !! Give them their own team and you wil get support.Yes the AFL would need to prop them up..but at a cost far far less than the debacle of GWS will become !!

HT... the issue here isnt about National comps etc. Its where they have chose to go. The real opposition in teh West of Sydney isnt NRL...as they only just hold their heads above water with bucket loads of News Corp money at present. Its sporting and spectator apathy in itself.. NRL cant get crowds in its own backyards. Rugby League does in a fashion at local junior levels..but at senior mainstream comp the west of sydney just doesnt give much of a [censored] !! Its true.. just ask anyone who knows the place. The AFL wants you to believe that if it doesnt set up some sort of presence there then that evil competitor NRL or Soccer wil take over. Actually Soccer will there to a large degree...but again..at junior levels. You will NEVER get any real level of participation of Aussie rules in these regiosn as Schools will play rugby and soccer.and soccer is winning .. Mums dont like their lil johnny wacked !! So its not a case of Play footy in the west of Sydney or perish...it simply doesnt want it period. A national comp would be far better served with a canberra team and a Tassie team...eventually you will be able to run a team out of Nth Q or even NT ( many years in future )..There is a groundswel and its a natural progession in these areas.. Not so WS.. it simply is a black hole..a spectator abyss ..its true

Totally agree..and for many reasons.Shows professionalism by the club ( amazing to think its our club..lol.. wasnt all that many years ago.......) Allows Dean to work without the dark shadows circling him. Gives the players anindicaton of how we as a club want to go about our future..i.e. we will as much as possible determine it ourselves and not be totally reactionary. Ought to be win /win / win

Lets not !!!! <_<

ahh yes..the new heartland of football !! This region struggled to keep alive all of its NRL teams ...and they think footy will prosper ?? who the hell do they think they are kidding !!

SImple..in one instance there is actually a fotball team and culture in the local its to call home. GC have a team ..the boys are playing..getting to know each other. They will carry this through the early years of the competition proper. This Team is for real..and its real right now.You can watch them if you like. Its not AFL yet.. but they exist. Wheres WS ?? what is WS..who are WS... theres no real team playing in any real competition is there ? Its some sort of mish-mash. And they are to enter one year after GC ..and all the work thats gone into GC.. There's just no comparison. Western Suburbs Sydney couldnt give a flying f%$# about gayball (their description !!). There is NO community backing..theres absolutely NOTHING...NADA !! only the obstinate will of Vlad and co to play some sort of team out of the middle of football nowhere. Now do you kinda get it ?

Wheat's kicking would be dead handy for the Swannies on the SCG esp

I agree...as it is...but the AFL's charter isnt that way constructed..its just the way Vlad runs it. I would have thought it made far more sense to try to develop something in Canberra....some history at least there. Would have thought there was more bragging rights for Vlad to have representaion in the Nations capital rather than some obscure paddock in the back of beyond fka Western Sydney