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Just as well we have Gus Brayshaw, some people were treading him out last year. He at ;east ;looks for a players when he has space. Two or three beautiful setup in the first hald last night.

I think Richmond's biggest danger is overconfidence, because no MFC side could play as dumb football two weeks in a row.

By the look os thid OMac, Stretch & Gartlett are in for promotion . TBH I think Spargo ,Jnr Wagner and Hunt might be looking down the barrell. I still think Hunt is worth perservering with because he has pace and is developing his tackling, but needs room to move. ANB seem top be banished even though he is a busy bee which is better than havcing St Kilda Players standing 25m fro a Melb playing with a flag up saying, "MyTurn"

TMac is one of the besty endurance athletes at he Club. He is obviously : Playing injured Still has enormous pride in playng for MFC because I do not think anyone bleeds more at losing/playing poorly Suffering from the delivery coming into the fowsd line. SG suggested last night that we are not connecting from mid to fwd. He (SG) may have added we are nto defending from Mid/Fwd. All of these things combined mean that life is pretty difficult for a KPF at MFC at the moment

He has been a sensational [player. Make him our Defensive coach !!!

I thought Hore was alright and the Wagner family were competitive. At least this loss cannot be blamed on Oscar. The indecision delivering the ball into the fwd line does not give Weids,TMAc any chance I think TMAc is injured becasue he is not running like he can. Jeets was good today. Woried about Hibberds ability to \compete 1 on 1. Charlie Spargo has to learn to make good decisions i.e When there are 4 or 5 Melbourne blokes , WHY KICK IT TO a CONTEST !!!!!! Fritsch , Brayshaw, Gawn Good , Preuss & Petracca Good first half. Probably the worst I have seen the team play for 3 years. The loss to WC in Prelim Final showed ALL sides how to play Melbourne. How come Ratten got away from us . He would be worth more than what we are paying May.

Talk of Umpires ,maybe we could get special permission for Clarrie toto wear black & white and he will get all the free kicks going, based on Brisbane vs AFL Umpiring panel game currently under way.

I have been one who has defended Oscar. I will admit he is limited, but last year was showing signs of developing into a good stopper. That role is not a stats feast so inside the group his worth may be appreciated more. By saying Frost was our best defender last night highlights how badly we played. As I mentioned on another post, he gave the impression when the ball was coming down that he was hoping somone else got it, that is how badly he seemed to fell. I have said that Frost is when he gets possession and thinks he can run. Unfortunately he loses somthing in relation to reasoning when he has the ball. However last night he was being beaten in 1 on 1 contests (eg Baguley) that he should eat up. Remeber at the moment we are probably paying 1.5 million to defenders who are not playing. That is a fair gap.

Too many loose rinning entries into our Defence makes life unbearable for defenders. I felt sorry for Frosty who had a horrible night , but you could see on his face and Body language he was dreading the ball coming into his area. To be beaten by blokes half his size in marking contests does not really cut it. WHen we have three players running in to tackle the ball carrier . Blind freddy could see that there are 2 spare people hanging around in the medium viciiivty i.e NcD-T , Smith McKenna < Zahaha and the list goes on. TWO WAY RUNNING IS REQUIRED.

" ..we continually get sucked into the contest which allows an easy outlet for our opponents. Oliver lays a tackle, Viney wants in on the act...the EFC player scrubs a hb over to Viney's player 20 metres in the clear and off they run." This Scenario happened too often last night and was really obvious. This is the way we were playing 4 years ago and i thought we had moved on from that.

I feel that he has enormous potential as a mid fielder at centre bounces hwere the heat is really on. He has demonstrated many times the capacity to get the ball to our runners. This works to his strength of good decision making in close ( basketball background). This buys time for our runners wh owill then be able to deliver the ball better to our fwds. Do not give up on him yet.

The AFL are real happy because we play sides that are above us each week. ( Just like they did not tell us that it was not a 4 game JLT season)

I remember listening last year (early) and the commentators were saying Melbourne had trouble playing the MCG, because of its width ( and our incapacity to run when off the ball). We seemed to correct that pretty quickly, so it may be an attitudinal issue rather than slackness. Confidence is a big thing and when down players go to the ball and not the "position". Consequently when it breaks into the open we have 3 or 4 around the ball (or where it was) and nobody in position to counter the break. That was exactly what happened yesterday ( and @ WC last season) So all is not lost. Again I will defend our defence because the ball was coming in with options available and our blokes still up the ground wondering where the ball went. Our defence in very vulnerable to poor defencive positioning and impact by the Fwds and Midfielders

Looks like we have found our scapegoat. Amazing how , after a loss, we seem to find the odd chook in the chookpen !!

I agree, both short and medium term. I feel we will need to spend some fairly big lollies to keep some of the core young talent we currently have. Plus they are developing under our nose. We have some potentially very good young players who are really flourishing in our current environment. Spend money on development. O know GAff is a handy footballer, but not worth $1.2 M . Begs belief what Gawny/Oliver are worth. Or what Harmes/Salem are moving toward.

Why is it ,that when we get a good to excellent player we seek to trade him. That just throws all the development work that has gone into that player and it goes to someone else and then we have to educate the incoming player.( how much development (and rehab) went into Scully and then he went off to the AFL team in Sydney. What type of player are we crying out for now ::: A Scully. What is standing out is the way in which sides are not working to have 20 stars, but a few stars and plenty of players with heart. i feel we are at that stage and have the advantage of having a lot of stars who are developing together.

Probably from the Coodabeens. A cousin of "Pearl from the Peninsula"

Have heard one scenarion ( from a Geelong supporter) that Geelong could get Gaff. I said they would have trouble with Salary cap. His reply was Kelly wants to go home (do not know why when WC & Freemantle did not want a bar of him over the years). Taylor may be retiring , Ablett is not costing then much and Menzel wants out. So by throwing in a Trade may swing a deal. Far fetched !!!, but it is amazing how some clubs work their way around things. (Like being a promotions officer for a large sponsor)

I really feel this thread has lost its relevance, and by continuing we are failing to let the matter lie and be controlled by the people directly involved.

Actually the Feds are at the Airport to arrest Stevens before he slithers back into his hole.

Far be it for me to comment, but an apt sentence would be until Andrew returns to football.( Brayshaw that is )

I agree, but by the law of the land ,there are people doing time for öne punch "actions and are vilified as such. The same principles should apply to sports people who do not discipline themselves and in a moment of "madness" change their own life and the victims . I have no doubt that Andrew Gaff would do things differently if he had thought things through.

Even before yesterday I have been consitently arguing that Gaff is superfluos to our needs( and throwing the Southern Stand at him is a waste). We currently have ANB , who has improved enormously in the last year (and still has plenty of upside) . Harmes who is continually proving me wrong on my initial assessment of him. Fritsch (fat Robbie) has shown enormous talent in his first year . Spargo, first year ,only 19. Jayden Hunt has had a year to forget so has enormous upside. Let us not forget , Dom Tyson is only 22 or 23 , and is still finding his way because we have too many midfielders. Remember at the start of the year some posters were in for trading Gus Brayshaw based on this argument. To Dom's credit he has shown a lot more flexibility in his game style since he has returned and it is starting to show. Then we have Jack, Clarrie and Gus . With due respects to Jack, the midfield is working really well in the last few weeks and earlier in the season. He now needs to get himself right (hopefully) and not use himself as a human battering ram so much. Have not mentioned Jesse & Trac ,whic just shows our current depth. We need to be multiskilling Dom and Jack,as we are with Clarrie and Gus, then we are approaching a super middle sized group of players. Team harmony seems absolutely great amongst this group (shown by the way they all hang it on Poor old Trac ) indicates they are gelling on and off the field. Sometimes seeking the perfect solution turns out not to be so. Richmond have got where they are through a Team based approach with some icing on the top (O doubt whether some of the Toiges bottom six would be in out side . Footscray won a Premiership through genuine team ethics and approach. We have got the structure, the personnel and are developing the will and the skills to succeed.

Two reasons : I honestly do not think he is worth it.considering what it will cost us and that we have players already growing into outside mids. He will be irrelevant after big brother cleans him, up in the Practice Matches

I sincerely hope not !!!!