Redleg

Are we trading for a runner in the Cup?

Fair enough.

Adding to that could we be chasing Papley with 8, as is being mooted by trade media. Carlton were offering 9 but wanted something back. We could also seek something back. Carlton were talking Swans 2nd rounder. Carlton can't do the deal until Bombers agree on Daniher. 8 is better than 9 as part of the Bombers deal. Papley apparently is not stuck on Carlton, but rather getting back to Victoria. It could all end with us having Papley, Finlayson/Caldwell or another GWS player and 6 and say a pick in the 20's. Then again it could be another unforeseen pick swap. Lastly it could just be us with 3 and 8. Together with Langdon and Tomlinson that would be an amazing trade period for us.

NO.

Then why would we use 6 against them, which is what he suggested?

We haven't got 6, we only get it if we do a deal with GWS.

I note the Hawks have traded in 3 former number 1 draft picks in the last 3 years, all of whom have allegedly been injured and all have come extremely cheaply.

What about this from left field. Offer Swans 8 for Papley and Tom McCartin. That gets Daniher done. 5 & 8. We then do 3 to GWS and get 6 and someone like Caldwell. GWS get Green and whoever they want at 3 . We fix small forward problem with Papley, key forward problem with McCartin and add pace/skill with Caldwell plus another good player with 6. Well I can dream can't I?

It definitely won't be for 6 and 25. I could see us offering GWS 3 for 6 and a player and maybe even the Tomlinson compo pick or that pick 6 and another first round pick. In other words why would we give away 3 for a first and second when we paid a first, a second and a third for 8. IMO we just tell GWS we are nominating Green at 3 if we still have it.

We get 8 by giving away 26, 50 and next year's first and you think we should give up 3 for 6 and 25? That isn't happening.

It probably means we know that GWS are going to take the player we want with 3, if they get it. That player would therefore be worth more to us than 2 players a bit later on. Its the reverse of the Kelly deal and I hope if we do that we get it right.

It doesn't matter whether it's Bruce , Jenkins or whoever and personally I think you have no chnce of getting a bloke once he nominates another club, but we need someone. We have 2 key forwards and one is still developing and the other has had injuries. Petty is a fair way off and may be needed in the back line. I agree we have mid sized forwards in Tracc, Fritter, Melksham and maybe Hannan, but we are clearly light on for key forwards and it needs to be addressed now. If Tom and Weid are injured we are horribly exposed. Even a stopgap player for a couple of seasons would be fine, giving us time to develop, or find, another longer term solution. As others have said Hogan, has not been replaced and IMO it is a major worry if not fixed.

Agree.

Whatever we do IMO, we need another experienced key forward as we are really light on there. Whether its Bruce, Jenkins, Howard, who is not really an experienced forward, but can play both ends, or someone else, I hope we are addressing this issue now.

We have 2 close mates from SA. I wonder if they could be offered together to go home to Port, for Howard, who at 199 cms could help cover the loss of Frost and also the shortage of key forwards.

If we are swapping picks and not players, this can be done later on, up to draft night.

Who are you hearing it from?

Well if we aren't looking at Josh Bruce and Yoko is wrong, then Jenkins at a bargain basement pick and salary, should be the option for the next couple of years, while we find another key forward. If Tom and Weid are injured again, like last year, we really have no one, other than maybe an inexperienced Petty as a key forward.

That is surprising.

"Rub on all surfaces for a perfect clean" - White King.

We are now light on for Key Backs, Key forwards and Small forwards. Petty is available to help out either key back or key forward. I think we will take a small forward or two in the draft. Therefore, if we can trade in another key forward and Yoko has suggested we are currently looking at one, then our problems will be greatly reduced. List balance is very difficult, as getting the categories accurate, is a near impossibility, with the unknown factors like injuries/retirements etc. For example, you have a couple of good ruckmen and then they both get injured. You can't just have stacks of ruckmen on your list, to cover for that, without impacting other areas. It is an extremely difficult task to have a perfectly balanced list, as unforeseen events can throw your perfection out the window.

Which one, Taylor or PIckett?

Or that so many good players, missed so many games and therefore votes, that the B & F in some respects, IS meaningless this year.

How do you bank draft picks?

They only have one thing attractive to players $. PS but like North they haven’t got anyone atm.