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Tmac should go to Adelaide or Bulldogs or something. Still a quality defender.

Sure but once we realised it wasn't our year surely we would expect to see a bit more change at selection, experimentation with positions etc. It's been pretty clear for a while now that those our highly paid stars have been playing beneath themselves. Yet we have continued to play them as our core midfield. Goodwin backs them in every week even though we completely shifted the goalposts for our expectations this year. If this was actually a development year we would be seeing way more variety through the middle. Rivers for example showed genuine promise in the midfield last year but has been stuck at half back all year because Viney, Trac and Oliver have to take up all the midfield minutes. I'd love to see what Windsor or Langford could do with some CBA's.

There's like three weeks left in the season and nothing left to play for. Why are we risking an injured player? Put him in for surgery ffs.

I'd that were true then Green wouldn't have been writing us letters telling us to expect finals at the start of the year.

Ironically he actually was. Laid a good tackle. But once again, the senior players who failed to stand up get a free pass from the coach.

I knew it was all Spargos fault we lost last week.

Ah so that's what happened on Sunday. The front fell off!

Even though the board was at war with Browne at the time they still had the capacity to make a hard call on Buckley and make the key appointment of Macrae, replaced the list manager, Ned Guy with Graham Wright as well. Mark Anderson as CEO made key decisions then rode off into the sunset. Really leaves the current admin no excuse for inaction.

Even if we went back to our old game style (we shouldn't) it relied on Viney, Oliver, Trac and Gawn destroying everyone else at clearance and Lever and May being a defensive brick wall. Without those guys being in AA form it doesn't work. The game changed because the rule changes that came in after 2020 made ball movement significantly easier. Sydney were the first to take the initiative in 2021 and drastically changed how they play, Geelong and Collingwood followed suit the next year and then the rest of the comp caught up. We tried to revert back to our 21-23 gamestyle in the back half of last year and it didn't work at all. I don't think it's possible to compete at the pointy end anymore unless you can move the ball properly and get quality shots at goal. Just look at the best players in the comp right now. They are all guys who can use the footy.

Lever is exactly the kind of player we should be moving on and would be fantastic for North. No way we're going to be moving on one of Goody's favourites though.

Seems like I have a fan 🥰

Trac has more currency but I'm not sure what we can realistically get for him in any case. Moving Oliver on is now moot. We would be doing it just to free up half his salary. Does the extra 800k we'd have to play with mean we'd be able to get someone in that can provide more than Oliver? Not sure. The trouble is I'm not sure he and Viney can play in the same team anymore.

Closer to West Coast than Richmond. Richmond got everything out of their list then quickly moved on once the era was officially over. West Coast dragged their feet and tried to recapture lightning in a bottle. Got hurt badly by injuries but dug themselves into a massive hole with bad list management and now look miles off being competitive again. We're not far off ending up in the same position and we don't have the resources West Coast have to endure a rebuild like that. The recruitment of the young guys has been a small and mostly accidental blessing. Need to build around them now.

You play how you train, and judging by the reports we've gotten over the course of this year it seems like training has been a bit of a joke.

He's a better mark than he's shown this year (still a double grabber) and Imo looks too bulky this year as opposed to how he looked the previous two years. Still reckon he'd be a much better player in basically any other team that can actually hit a forward target.

I still have some hope for JVR but I reckon there's a pretty hard ceiling on his game. We can't rely on him to be the main man unfortunately. Not sure where we find a genuine key forward to fill the main role. An indictment on the FD that they haven't been able to find someone to play that role in 4 years.

The way he's traded for picks is just to throw any and all picks after 25 at a team that need some points, often with a future first on top as well. It's hardly genius trading. We're going to need to start finding some guys deeper in the draft over the next few years. Hopefully JT has a few he likes.

More than happy for people to rip into the players, they are soft and lack leadership and composure. But I'm interested in tangible solutions to our current plight. Goodwin has tethered himself to this group. He has backed them in time and time again through selection and positioning. For those who think the players are at fault and need to go do we think Goodwin, or anyone else in the Footy Dept are going to be the ones to facilitate that change? We need a new regime with a fresh vision for the club. The dream of another flag with this group and this footy department has been dead for two years. Keeping Goodwin, Richo, Lamb, etc just guarantees another 12 months of sitting still.

Oh dear

It's always tough to know the full extent of an assistant coaches influence. They are restricted by the system they work within. I do remember when Yze got the job at Richmond Brendan Gale quoted him. Something along the lines of "if you live in the past youl die in the present." That was something that felt pretty resonant with where we were at at the end of 2023. I like what I can see he's doing with Richmond though. I think he'll turn out to be an excellent coach.

I'm not the one calling people imbeciles and bogans mate. Have a great day.

Incredibly, this thread is about the coach. Clearly I've touched a nerve.

Who instructed him to be on the bench? Seriously, who actually told the senior coach to get our of the box? Surely you have a source for this? Happy to wait. If you're not talking about this year than what relevance does it even have to our current issues?

Source? Keep up youself. Good to see you continuing to revert to childish insults whenever you get called out on your bs. Have a good one.

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