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Wet weather creates a selection problem for Collingwood too though who likely planned to go in with Cameron and Cox. Will they just go with one and can he go with big Maxy for four quarters?

Tom Lynch will play all next year at 31yo. If his foot is OK he should be able to play at least 2 more years. He's a very good player. Lynch has 2 years to run on his contract at Richmond, he's not going to play in their next flag. Their first pick last year was 49 and they have 25, 44, 62, 80 this year. They may be looking to improve their draft hand and Lynch would be valuable collateral along with Dusty. I'd definitely be interested.

Max said on Gus and Gawny that he couldn't se himself making 250 games.

Grundy going to one of our main competitors say either Port or Sydney over the next few years will result in a fair loss of IP. Of course Collingwood has rolled that same dice with us this year.

Trade period runs 9-18 October, we could be playing on 30 September. When do you think it's a good date for him to start investigating his future? Do you reckon we weren't talking to him until after Collingwood's GF last year?

Collingwood also have Moore, Murphy and McCreery to come in and 3 coming out for them who are not named in the VFL side.

15 listed WB players: Crozier, Busslinger (0 AFL games), Cleary, Gardner, O'Brien, Garcia, Poulter, Gallagher (0), Clarke (0), West, Raak (0), Khamis, Sweet, McComb, McLean - including 5 who have not played at AFL level. We have 8 MFC listed players including 7 with no AFL experience. White, Munro and Buntine do add something though. Looks stacked against us.

Yes Butters was tremendous that night. He's definitely a great player. But I just think Petracca is primed to explode.

Damien Barrett: "IF ...ever there was a player poised to take over a finals series on sheer willpower THEN ... Zak Butters. Cannot wait to see him run out onto the Gabba on Saturday week. Eyes will be rolling in that controlled way. Old-school sporting killer instinct. Compelling to watch. " Has he heard about Christian Petracca? Look out world!

Cannot see that happening when you think about the whole of the Melbourne Football Club. I think AFLW wouldn't be impressed.

So why are you "still pretty salty"? I'm happy with the outcome

Really? I don't think KFW is quite ready for the big time yet but give him a few years. But if you'd prefer him on Thursday night then good luck!

You mean a Casey final at the same time as the AFLW Premiers season launch match?

Prefer Mac Andrew to JVR do you? We got kissed there.

They just get more picks at the end of the draft, they don't get left with one pick.

Sensible flexible cheap depth.

North can with pick 2 and 17 (tied to Port Adelaide) for a start off. That guarantees Curtin to WC and gives them a bonus first rounder. And that's not even taking into account North's McKay compensation.

It's good to try to use some metrics to get player ratings but I think you need to refine the model if McVee and ANB are scoring a lot less than Jordon and Harmes. Melksham at 1.599 is an aberration too based on his actual game winning contributions. You seem to be giving KPBs like May and Lever some boost which is good, but small backs and small forwards are not being rewarded sufficiently.

Likely Collingwood line-up IMO: B: Quaynor Moore Howe HB: Maynard Murphy Noble C: J.Daicos Pendlebury Sidebottom R: Cameron DeGoey Mitchell HF: McCreery McStay WHE/Lipinski F: Hill Mihocek Elliott I: Cox Crisp Adams Ginnivan S: Markov In: Moore Murphy McCreery Out: Frampton Markov WHE/Lipinski Hard to know if McCreery replaces WHE or Lipinski. Could even be Ginnivan. Howe may play forward or swing.

Could be Murphy

True, but can he run and jump at the ball? At his best he can, at his most compromised he can't. He will have been able to show this at VFL level.

It's not really about the opposition though, it's about his freedom of movement. We know he can compete strongly at the top level if he has that.

Yes, lucky he plays for Carlton. 2022 Brownlow*

On KBW we were in a Melbourne section completely surrounded by Collingwood supporters - I think they're onto it.

Yes you can - click on the highlighted section you want.