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For those too slow or without memory - that was Brian Royal.
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From a mathematic POV - no.
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It's a really good point. The opportunity of those that are to work at this club involves where we are at right now. Any prospective employees need to realise, and communicate to Jackson, that this is just about being involved in a footy club but rebuilding almost everything that makes a good football club. Some people would not be comfortable with that responsibility.
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Who would that be? Do you really think that Jackson will gamble on an Adam Simpson? Do you really think that a Leigh Tudor will excite fans? Neil Craig is more of a chance to coach this club than an untried coach.
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What analogy? Craig is being ajudged a bad coach because of the last two weeks. Not only is that unfair, it is wholly misrepresenting of the fact that he has already proven he can coach elsewhere. And while I still have Roos and Williams above him - that is why he is a chance to coach next year. Proven coach, proven culture. No-one can stear this shipwreck as you and stmj and OD have already said. But if we went for Craig next year then I would understand and get behind a bloke that knows what a successful culture and club looks like.
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Can I just say that last Saturday or the North game was not a reflection on Craig as a coach. He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone - and maybe as MFC supporters we can't see when people outside our sphere have achieved something. He is a good coach.
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lol Are we seriously trolling our own players? Well, I guess they did it first...
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If we brought in only what you think are guaranteed talents - we would have half a list. The fact is that we need to look at turining some fringe youngsters at other clubs into dependable players for us. We will only have a small chance to get good Free Agents, we will only have a finite number of top 5 picks. We need to bring in players we see as big improvers because that are players we can actually recruit. And it is the same mindset that brought in Matt Jones, Terlich, and Clisby. 3 of our 4 hardest running players. If there are similar (there would be better) fringe players at other AFL clubs - get them to the Dees.
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For one thing - we can comprehend what you are saying. And don't give me this 'private school' BS. My mum is why I am like this, you would try and get your spelling and grammar right too if she was your mum... We are a little community here and we all take our licks in good humour. PS. Daisycutter - how dare you show me to be a hypocrite!1! I will [Censored] your [Censored] if [Censored] [Censored] like [Censored] Shrek 3!1!
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Well, I believe there is a correlation; the correlation being that our support is contingent, and we should not damn employees for their continued desire to be at the club being contingent. I never damned your position - I agree with the premise in fact: we need to hire an experienced coach (and one that isn't Laidley and sells some level of hope). There are a few supporters who have turned on Watts because he will not sign before he sees the direction we are headed. I see that as wholly unfair, especially considering your ultimatum as a supporter. I hope you calm down enough to understand that - like the note in the original post - I never meant to ridicule your position, only the views of those ridiculing Watts for not showing an unreasonable amount of loyalty to his employer.
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Jeez, cool down Billy. The point is that we have an expectation of players that are out of line. Trengove re-signing in 2011 was a show of faith wholly outside of what this club deserves.
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That might be good, but it won't help their spelling or grammar...
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He is signed until 2015. And his agent not negotiating, if that is the case, is just another case, like Watts, of an agent doing his due diligence and protecting his client. Billy2803 is a poster here and he has said that if we hire an inexperienced coach he won't support the club anymore. But we expect our employees stuck in limbo to show ultimate loyalty? Make some good additions to the FD and hire a proven coach and we will keep these players. Note: I do not mention billy to ridicule, only to point out our expectations and our hypocrisy.
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No, it's a relevant point. You just don't like it because it is a very good point and it diminishes this argument that "we have such bad kicks!!1!" We don't have good mids to work hard get the effing ball. More worried about that then what they would do with it...
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We would not get near the kind of deal I would want to move him. And like I care that he isn't showing ultimate loyalty to this club. We have not been ultimately competent and The Jack Watts Experience is Exhibit A in the trial of this club's terrible culture of overreliance on draft picks and nonchalant development. Jack Trengove showed after 186 that he has the kind of loyalty as a Demon that he re-signed in a dark period. And what has that gotten him? A whole lot of nothing. I hope we keep Watts and the next coach gets something out of him.
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Yeah, my point is that kicking ability is a peripheral problem compared to the dearth of hard running mids.
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I guess my point is that good midfielders can be good kicks, but I would take hard working mids as a start. Our midfield isn't bad because we miss targets, it is bad because it doesn't work hard enough and isn't bold enough.
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Yeah, he does screw up a few doesn't he? The Top 150 Average Uncontested Possession gatherers in the AFL: 12 are from Coll and Fre. 11 from Ade and WB. 10 from Geel and NM. 9 from StK, Rich, and Ess. 8 are from GWS, GC, Haw, and WCE. 7 from Carl and BL. 6 from Port, and 5 from Sydney. 4 are from the last team: Mitch Clisby 66th Matt Jones equal 82nd Nathan Jones equal 98th Dean Terlich equal 140th As Sydney are our closest rival in these numbers (albeit playing on a home ground with far less room for uncontested possies...) I will compare their entrants to our entrants in the top 150: J McVeigh equal 13th N Malceski equal 24th D Hannebery equal 26th K Jack equal 38th T Mitchell equal 126th This illustrates where we are at - we have a midfield that doesn't work hard enough or be bold enough to run and get the footy and the closest team to us in terms of these hard running mids has a far better class with McVeigh, Malceski, Hannebery, and Jack (all in the top 40) compared to our 4; three of which are mature age recruits in their first season of AFL. This is where we can get better quickly. You don't need to be the greatest kick or have the greatest skills to be a hard running mid who - if he has enough friends - can drive a team back to relevance. I expect this to be a major area for the next coach to attack and improve.
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Quite frankly, I am not worried about how we deliver the footy, we don't get it enough. Give me a hard running mid that gets 20 uncontested possies and farks it up 6 times than a beautiful kick who gets it in space 7 times a game and never screws up. Kieran Jack is a rough kick. He is a superb footy player.
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There are different ways to become more effective with your kicks if you cannot improve your technique, which can be difficult for players with an ingrained kick since childhood. Those new to footy can alter a new habit far more easily - I have seen that first hand up in Canberra. So for those that cannot alter how they kick, they can alter when they kick, and what they try to do with the footy. As clint bizkit said, playing within your limitations is a very quick way to get 'better.' James McDonald made his improvement with his kicking in this fashion. The skills across the board will improve once the team improves as the pressure on skills is eased and, most importantly, the perceived pressure on skills is eased.
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It's hardly being dismissive. You want them spurned for life. The caricature you have painted of CC would be laughable, if you and others weren't so serious about it. People fark up. Trying to do what is best for the club. Ultimately, you can do what you want. But this club is too small to not allow CC back into the fold at some point, and CS, and McLardy, and Jalland, and Gardner, and every other Demon that has been Demonised. Because that is what good clubs are; a sprawling mess of egos and rage and blame all in the same tent wanting badly for the same ends. OD - this is what my point is - the is so much blame and rage to be shared that we cannot afford to banish all those we wish to punish. There will be no club left.
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I am talking about the character assassination that wyl just blurted in a previous post. Stop looking at lines in posts in isolation - but it is plainly just mean and immature to believe that CC is anything other than another Demon who feels the same as we do. He has made some mistakes, and so have the people that employed him and others, but this endless bonfire has to end. These people are not characters from LOTR - they are not evil - they are Demons That Have Farked Up. And there are so many Demons That Have Farked Up over the years that we are all in this together, trying to make amends, forgiving those that have been before, and attempt to pull ourselves out of the muck with the aide of the AFL.
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You don't know CC do you, wyl? You are so quick to damn Demons. This club is a shell because we keep burning each other and pointing at one another for the malaise we are in. This club needs to grow up and that includes it supporters.
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Demons lose Picks 5, 32, and 47 spread over the 1999 and 2000 drafts for Salary Cap breaches. Demons select Luke Molan, Steven Armstrong and Aaron Rodgers with Picks 9, 25 and 26 in 2001. Demons select Daniel Bell and Nick Smith with Picks 14 and15 in 2002. Demons trade Pick 21 for Ben Holland in 2003. Demons turn Darren Jolly, Scott Thompson, Picks 13 and 29 into Matthew Bate, Lynden Dunn, Brent Moloney, and Paul Johnson in 2004. Demons trade Picks 28 and 44 for Byron Pickett in 2005. Demons select Cale Morton and Addam Maric with Picks 4 and 21 and trade Pick 38 for John Meesen in 2007. Demons select Sam Blease, James Strauss, and Jamie Bennell with Picks 17, 19, and 35 in 2008. Demons trade Brock McLean for Pick 11 and select Jordan Gysberts and select Luke Tapscott with Pick 18 in 2009. Demons lose Cameron Bruce and James McDonald prematurely and select Lucas Cook with Pick 12 in 2010. These are the bylines to our mysery. And it spans Boards and Coaches, almost generations... And it still hurts. Geelong is still fuelled by the drafts of 1999 and 2000. Scott Thompson would be capain of the club should fate have been different. You can keep looking for blame and assigning it to whomever but there is so much to go around that it becomes irrelevant. This club is not big enough to get out the torches again. There is no satisfaction in shooting yourself deliberately in the foot. You want this club to be great again? Forgive some Demons and get over it.
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This is the kind of attitude Neeld was allowed to realise during his short tenure. There will be plenty of turnover in staff and players but to cut a swathe across a number of people is very Neeldesque. And, yeah, we are terrible because we have no hard running mids, decent leaders, and star quality players. That comes back to recruiting, retention, and development in order of importance. We will bounce back. At some point.