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To expand: we traded Pick 12 for Clark. A fruitful year to be sure... But lower down on the list of drafting failures.

Come off it - what do you say when someone has a similar refrain about Jake Spencer?

*backs out of thread slowly*

I read that initially as 'Now onto Syria.' So Roos was the reason they are giving up their Sarin.

Well, I love KPIs... Mine for Watts - if he is on a wing - would be defensive acts (tackles, smothers, blocks, spoils, etc) and uncontested possessions. In fact, for most of the midfield it would be those two KPIs, plus stoppage numbers and opposition UPs.

I find that saying 'he wants $X - that's ridiculous' is a little meaningless as the Salary Cap will near $10m next year. I would prefer to talk about percentage of the cap. And Betts 6%? That's ridiculous...

His second efforts are appalling at times. He needs to stop ball watching and thinking and just start reacting in contested/close footy situations.

Yeah, I don't really care. I have about 5 players at my footy club, the rest are assets to be retained and developed or bartered for other assets. I believe we have mitigated the disaster that would be an entry to the ND and we can do as Roos pleases with regard to asset number 4.

No, but you make a good point DeeZee. The difference is you have a tangible to criticise where it is difficult to criticise the barren land that is our midfield.

Early on in his career, and I won't damn him for it, he did similar things to Watts. He would short step to avoid a contest, he would give the ball up to avoid a tackle, etc I don't have evidence other than my own opinion and recollection. Green then changed my opinion in the latter half of his career where he became utterly careless of his own safety on the field. I see it every year in my own footy team; blokes can build the confidence in their body to show a bit more carelessness for their body.

Thanks Chook. We get it. You will find about 15k 'die hard' supporters in the same group; lapsed members who will re-sign when Roos signs.

Had a fantasy auction and got Brees and Gonzalez as 'best in class' for their positions but had to settle for Gore and Ball as RBs to back up Lynch. Welker is a gem pickup IMO and I hope Mike Wallace can get near the puss that Tannehill will throw at him... I am pretty confident but we will see how the 49ers and the Broncos use their RBs before being too confident.

By all means see what is out there. But don't burn people to a point where we have to move them for very little. How we handled Moloney's exit from a list management POV was atrocious. First we diminished his value by making him well aware he was not wanted through comments fo the coach and the selection committee, and secondly we made it clear to the footy public that this RFA was not welcome back at the club. If you have a commodity you want to get rid of. Don't force that commodity out until you have something coming back the other way, and don't just let that commodity go for nothing on the market. This is probably best placed on the other Forum.

Of course you are. Although this is very early. But the point I made in the post was that it is not advisable to draft for immediate impact. Top draft picks should be investments in the future, not used to acquire 18 year olds to compete straight away. If you want that - trade the pick for a known commodity to perform straight away.

Battle of Ego's? You called it a rant. Personally, I thought it was better thought out than a rant. My point is that it isn't a case of 'sooner the better.' List management is an art form in need of some science. We have got quite a few players that I don't think much of - and some that I am sure I will come to that conclusion - but we have to be methodical about how we do this. Unless we get something in FA I can see us only parting with Gillies, Sellar, Davis, Rodan, Jetta, and McDonald because of what we could bring in.

Yes, it was quite something. And it reminds me of the gameplan used by Neeld after his first year in charge. And he only changed 14 players. You can have your belief that the vast majority of the players should be removed but don't let yourself forget the reality of list management - it cannot be done in one Summer. I don't want us to take a kid with Pick 100+ because it will mean we are wedded to that player for two years as per the CBA. We can overhaul the list in a rational manner and if you want to discuss it further, there is a thread on the subject on the Trading Board.

Yes, but what evidence is that used for? A past decision? Hypothetical re-ordering of the draft is classic masichism from MFC fans who love to play this 'what if' game. When you draft a player in the first few rounds of the National Draft you should be choosing the players that will be the best players when the enter their prime.

No doubt it would change but the argument of a few in here is that we needed to get an 'impact player' with Pick 4. What nonsense. You do not draft in the top 10 for the next season's impact. You try and use all your collective brain power and footy knowledge and try to draft the best player when they are 22. What a ridiculous notion to draft an impact player... It would be funny if our drafting in the past hadn't been do heinous. Use trades or the draft after Pick 50 for impact.

By 'stalking' does Baghdad Bob mean 'a poster following him from thread to thread?' For those who delineate between to the two.

Now hang on a second... It's not true. And that's a fact.

Yes, I remember the coaching argument well. I think conceding that in light of recent events seems a tad trite and pointless at the minute... I just don't like talking to people 'in the know' who dismiss an 18 year old because of minor personality issues and/or mistakes.

I said it after Rd 1 - he should not have played. I would nod with approval if we do not play Pick 2 for a few rounds next year (Hogan is ready to go so is a different story).

lol Do you really care if you disrespect? And no harm done, I must admit I do find your many incarnations in this community you patronise as a source of mirth more than anything. No disrespect. With regard to Jones: My argument was he looked to have plateaued after a very strong first few years. He refined his decision making, especially in close, and he has become the player he is today. Players can sometimes surprise you.

The lengths that you go to to disagree with me are astounding. Thankyou for caring so much.

So you always saw him as being capable of an A-grade year like last year? And the serious conversation right now that is an A-grade player? This site does have a search function you know...