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@Clint Bizkit I agree with the ‘feeling’... I think it is because he never talked and teammates never talked about him. It’s hard to grow an attachment between player and club with no fuel to form that attachment. Brayshaw, Harmes, Oliver, and Petracca I can picture earnestly talking about the club or the coach or their teammates (or being talked about in CPs case). Hogan has always been aloof in that regard.

Your first two priorities are the same - skills in the midfield. Your 3rd priority is now your second and it is to find a replacement for what Hibberd does. I don’t see the cause and effect that would come from that... Hibberd released more? Menzel and Breust were non-factors in the two finals we played against them. And that leads to the last priority - a tall defender. I would overspend in a trade for a skillful mid and I would overspend in a trade for a tall defender. Return on investment is measured in GFs and flags, not in what we get back commensurate to perceived player value.

@deanox what would say we should improve? Here is my perceived needs list in order: 1. Outside player with elite skills to driver into the forwards 2. Tall defender to allow Oscar to play on the ubiquitous 2nd ruck and Lever to play on the third tall 3. Natural small forward to play at the feet of Preuss/Gawn and Weideman None are glaring - we came fourth - but each have their own impacts should we successfully address them. We have a dominant midfield but we don’t kick the ball Inside 50 well, hence the number one priority. We then get sliced apart on the counter with a patchwork defence that contains a few NQR players amongst Lever, Hibberd, Jetta, and Salem. The third priority is somewhat ameliorated by the first but at the moment we have former midfielders playing a role that is unsuited to them (even though they are giving it a red hot show). So getting someone like May is second on my list for us to push for a flag. That is hard to argue against when discussing maximising the value we get from a trade. Does it matter if we get what we need?

I was enamoured with Hogan when he came because I saw a star when we had none. Now we have a little bit of a constellation emerging and I am comfortable with it. And I can see the opportunity to balance our list. We should play a second ruck to help Gawn. We have a midfield to win any game. We have no tall defender that can compete with the best forwards in the game. So I hope we can turn this unfortunate situation into something that makes us.

[Patronising tone] Our generational ruckman is not going to be bumped from being the number 1 ruck...

Meh, if we win a prelim and have a chance at a flag - would you ‘lose’ a trade? That’s rhetorical.

You have the same avatar as Chook in Perth and it misled me and my emotions just then...

Hogan is a stud. If he wants to go then we can facilitate of course but I think he is a match winner. I am comfortable with what the FD makes of the situation which is a great feeling, but if he wants to stay within our wage structure then I would keep him. Sigh.

Yes, it makes more sense if Hogan leaves. It makes some sense if they want to save Gawn from overwork and save his body, it makes more sense if Preuss is destined to switch out of FF with Gawn. Weed and T Mac to work out of CHF and a high target.

He was horrible. But so was the rest of the team. He shouldn’t be a walk up start next year, but neither should Jones - who had a worse September than Jordan... We got shown up between the ears today across the board. To lay it at the feet of the easy targets is a trap we should avoid.

Which is the case with all our past FDs. Thankfully, we now have one that knows better than the (above) average Dees fans on this forum...

Our best mid in two finals in a row... Who thought he was a ‘one trick pony’ again? Just doing what Jack Viney does.

Ump should have just said incorrect disposal and pay it. They always pay the scrubby kicks as HTB.

Not for me it doesn’t. If Hogan wants to stay, he stays. And let’s not derail a thread about a kid who played his best game in front of 91k.

Source?

Nowhere near? The beauty is in the grey here. Oscar is being pushed by Frost the last 8 weeks... If the MC like Smith, I don’t know who will make way, but Oscar is not ‘nowhere near’ being out of that side. He has a thin needle to middle here; he has to beat an important player, not make any mistakes, and contribute to us moving the footy up the ground.

And Hibberd and Salem and Lewis and Fritsch and maybe Frost... But this argument is irrelevant. Oscar won’t lose his spot Fritsch or Lewis. He will lose it if we think that Lever, Frost, and Hibberd with Gawn behind the footy is more value than having Oscar back there amongst that group.

I am a bit worried. If he is in the team to be the ‘gorilla tamer’ then he is in the wrong pen. Frost went to Cameron and will go to Hawkins. If Oscar wants to stay in that team when Lever comes back, he needs to step it up. And not to sound like @Clint Bizkit here - but he does stupid little things like let players run around him for one-twos and doesn’t man the mark properly. For his age he is fine, I just wonder whether he is in the team when we are healthy.

A great Demon. Came to us at our lowest and gave you a reason to watch the team.

Good footy players will make it work. Hogan in the middle from time to time and Weideman to continue his excellent progression as second ruck. McDonald may need to go back/wing as well if we are too tall. Gawn needs more of Weideman and Hogan is good enough to make it work in my opinion.

Equally, if you don’t want it intimated that your ideas are idiotic and stilted - don’t share them in a thread.

We are walking but that ain't gum we're chewing...

The discussion is fine - this is a football forum - a discussion over the merits of trading someone is par for the course. What is also par for that course, is the judgement of posters and the 'discussions' they seemingly can't stop faffing on about - so continue with the stumbling around in the dark looking for your proverbial pants.

That was a reference to Oscar. Weideman is tracking normally - his ruckwork is a point of difference that he can build a career out of it if he can stay relevant as a forward like today.