Colm

If Goody does stay then we a very good forward coach to come in. I wouldn’t mind even a specialist key forward coach to come in over the summer in addition to a new forward coach. Agree about being aggressive with our list management this off season. Problem is it’s not the best year to do so given we don’t have a current first rounder and this draft is meant to be poor in terms of quality and depth. It will make it more difficult to pick up a gem or two with later or rookie picks. I think we need a min of 5/6 players that can have an impact next year. If we put out 2 future first on the table and don’t get it right then it will be a very long road back. Even if we were to get Jackson for those two FF we still have a lot of holes to fill with not a lot of capital.

Agree his work around the contest is fine. He’s just not interested in marking the ball if it leaves him in a vulnerable position which is understandable but reduces his ability to play forward roles as well as previously.

I’ve just scrolled through this thread from page 30(twice). Can’t find the post that I was referring to. So I’ve either inagined it or it’s in another thread. I’m convinced I read it though as it stuck with me. However if I can’t find it then I guess I shouldn’t be claiming what other posters have or haven’t said in the past.

Yes but a 9 year contract exposes you to more risk. Just look at the amount of pages that have been written on here questioning the length of contract extensions we have to Trac, Clarry and Viney not to mention Gus. All their contract lengths have been brought into question at different stages for different reasons, given that it’s not unreasonable to be a little nervous at a 9 year contract even if the overwhelming feeling is of shear joy that we have Kossie signed on for life. The filth winning their last flag not long after a salary dump in the trades of Grundy and Treloar shows that even if these long contracts don’t work out there can still be a path to success. But it leaves very little wriggle room for bad luck or other decisions that don’t work out as hoped. Success might take balls but getting more decisions right than wrong and having luck on your side certainly helps too.

Well at this stage the concussion terms haven’t changed. We are still paying for Gus so we know all too well that it can and does happen. Petty hasn’t been as good since he did his foot, Spargo was out for a year and probably hasn’t returned to previous form. ACL injuries and so on. Also I can’t remember if it was @Dannyz or @goodwindees who said earlier in this thread that was a growing number of people within the club that were becoming tired of having to bend over backwards for Kossie. A bigger contract on more money may increase tension should he continue to flirt with other clubs in the future. We’ve seen with Clarry that a bigger contract can be a burden when things aren’t going as well. I’m over the moon we have signed him and if the decision was down to me I would 100% do it, but a 9 year contract on big money is not without risk.

Our coaching and development of key forwards over the past number of years has been shocking. Not surprising we are failing to get the best out of a defender playing forward when we are failing to get the best out of more natural forwards.

I was one that was thinking he was the answer to our prayers when he kicked 6 against Richmond. In fact I said after that game if we kept Max fit and Petty in form we would win the flag that year. I still think that’s true. I was solely focused on him the following week against North when he got that foot injury and prior to the injury I thought he was fantastic. Taking good marks, good set shot kicking, leading into space, putting blocks in for others in short the total package for KPF. He is the definition for a confidence player Unfortunately he hasn’t come anywhere near that very short bit of form post injury. I think we have a better chance of getting him back to his best if he goes back and plays in defence along side lever who I think is good at pumping up his tyres when needed. Perhaps we throw May forward for a game or two to see if that works. Not like we need to worry about finals now anyways. Petty back to his best and paired with Disco and our future defence would be looking strong.

I did mention it earlier in the thread that I didn’t think it made a heap of sense for Freo to go for Kossie when they have just signed Bolton on big coin for two first round draft picks. As well as the $2.5m in cap space you’re also looking at 5 first round picks all up imho. Add Murphy Reid into the equation who has been brilliant this year and I rate very very highly. Vic clubs will come hard for him over the next couple of years Freo will need to match offers. It’s just way too much capital to put out on small forward types even if they are spending time in the middle Also Freo made it known earlier this season that they were going to priorities Chad Warner above Kossie.

Yup, would also be a bit of a statement if we can get him to sign. All the negative stories that have been in the media and yet our best talent is willing to sign on for life. Would be a good step in the right directions towards attracting other players to come. Who wouldn’t like to play with Kossie.

I get what you’re saying Layzie. It’s a massive contract when we already have others tied in on very long expensive contracts. The length concerns me more than the value. $1.4m is what he’s worth to offer him less would be unders when the likes of Trac and Clarry are in as much as maybe more( I’ve seen figures as high as $1.7m this year). Ruckmen are getting paid $1.4m these days. I thought Jackson on $900k was to expensive until I looked at what some others are getting. The length of the contract is a worry for me. We’ve already seen it okay out that form and injuries can have a massive effect on players ability to give value for money. But any club that comes in for him would have to be offering 7 years as that what the top players are being offered now. Freo already have Young and I thing Jackson on similar terms. By going to 9 it means we can’t be beaten. It also sets his trade value should he choose not to stay. The biggest contract offer in AFL would require just about the biggest trade deal ever.

9 years seems a lot but I’m guessing we wanted to table an offer that no team could beat in terms of value or length. One of the very best in the comp, can swing a game by himself amazing to watch and will put bums on seats for the next decade.

Think the aftermath of the Collingwood game is a good point to give this thread a bump. A few things that stood out to me. Leaving aside coaching and tactics for this thread Unfortunately the pies at currently top of the table and the benchmark to compares ourselves against. I’ve stated elsewhere that I was confident before the game and thought it was a good time for us to be playing them. They have an injury list that’s twice the size of ours( 5&10) and probably twice as many best 22 players out(2&4). It’s no coincidence that we have returned to being competitive since we have had more or less a full list to choose from. We just don’t run deep enough to cover a few key outs. I think we are 5/6 players short of having a list that can properly contend. That 5/6 doesn’t all have to be best 22 but they all at least challenging the best 22 and at least 2/3 need to be best 22. They seem to have a lot more players with greater ability to move the ball well. This is clearly an area we have tried to address in the last two drafts with Windsor, XL and Langford Hopefully some at Casey will get a chance before the end of season to show what they have got( Sestan and Adam’s maybe). But we will have to get creative and a bit ruthless this off season. In order to get 5/6 players I think we need there will also be some misses so we might need to turn over up to 20% of the list. If we could bring Jackson in and hold onto Kossie it would mean given up our two future first picks which means we wouldn’t have much else to trade with without players going out Worth noting that Collingwood are top of the ladder and played McStay and Membrey as their key forwards yesterday. Not all players we bring in have to cost a lot.

Flat as a pancake after that result. Gave up on finals after our 0-5 start and have been happy to look at positives other than results in games since that. But yesterday I just wanted a win no matter how we got it. Thats 10 out of 11 games we have lost to the filth. Horrible. I was one of the few confident going into the game, felt we were getting them at a good time. It ended up being as good an example of all the things we have been doing wrong for way too long now.

Have a feeling we get up today. Expect to filth to have started their bye loading last week. It’s now our GF. Wet conditions will mean a lower scoring game which I think is in our favour. Langford to have a big game.

Given the overall standard of this years crop is thought to be very poor it’s a bit of a concern that neither rates highly at this stage. Hopefully Sinnema can have a good champs series and move up the ratings.

Height issues with the roof. Not a retracting roof like Marvel.

The roof is the big issue for me. We should have told the AFL where to go when they demanded a roof. No other expansion team or any team for that matter had such a demand put on them. Weather here is ok to already play 8 games a season without any roof. We get less rain than NSW and Queensland. Yes it’s colder and maybe a bit windy. Deal with it. Roof also means that no cricket games could be played there so it would just be around 8 AfL games a season as o assume 3/4 would be played in Launceston.

I’m in the same boat as you beelzebub, I’m finding I’m able to enjoy watching us playing a bit more when I’m not as concerned with the win/loss ratio and percentage. When we were kicking poorly for goal in the second last week I didn’t get nearly as annoyed as I would normally as I’m finding it pretty easy to take the positives at the minute in terms of how we’re are playing and direction we are going in, if we play finals great but if we don’t so be it. As long as we have a game plan that is taking shape and wins us some big games, a functional forward line and in a good spot to reload for 26 I’ll be happy.

Thank god he still has 2 years left on his contract. Puts the club in a strong position. I hope we are currently putting another contact in front of him. He’s worth as much as anybody at the club or any other club and his pay should reflect that. Maybe a good offer that front loaded a bit over the first couple of years might be enough to tempt him. An extra mil in the bank would surely give him something to thing about.

@binman I know it’s getting a bit of topic for this thread but I wonder if the opposite might be true for Collingwood heading into the Kings birthday game. They have a 10 day break before that game and a 12 day break after. Would you be thinking that they will ramp up their loading ahead of our game and look to put in a really good block over that 22 period? They are top and can afford to risk losing one or two to be cherry ripe for the business end. We might be getting them at a good time is what I hoping for.

I’ve stated elsewhere I think the Duke is building into form and will star this weekend. Same for Viney as I think he plays well fresh. Salem and Oliver probable both just played their best game of the past two years maybe longer for Salo. Trac is getting very close to his best. May and Lever are both a fair bit off their best but at least they are fit. No guarantees they will be fit in 4 months. All in all I’d be pretty happy if that group was playing as well in 4 months as they are now. Another point to factor in- clubs will start to go to work on our new game plan as they haven’t had a proper chance to nut it out yet. The above does sound like I’m struggling to find the good in where we currently find ourselves. Let me be clear nothing is further from the truth I’m absolutely stoked with how we are travelling and how Goody and the boys have turned things around. I’ll be even happier if we make finals.

I just think it will be a bridge too far. The comp is very even and any bad luck with injuries or deep in form or fitness levels can derail our finals chances. Even if we were to make finals our chances of being able to hold form for them as well is very slim. If we can get to the end of the season with a new game style that’s as good to watch as it was over the weekend, a properly functioning forward line and be in a position where we can attract new players to the club and reset for a red hot crack next year I’ll be over the moon regardless if we make finals or not.

We would still have a chance for sure, I think we would need to have a very lucky run with injuries from now until the end of season to make the 8 though.

AJ to stay in for the next two game for me. Give him a few games to settle in and I think he will make less mistakes. His energy and crash and bash against the pies will be useful. Viney to come in for Spargo, I think JV normally plays very well after a freshen up and I’d expect a massive game from him. The Duke has quietly been finding a bit of form in his new role and I think he’ll have a cracker of a game against the saints too. I don’t think we make finals this year but if we can continue our current trajectory against the saints and beat the Pies I’ll be very satisfied with how we are tracking.

I have been thinking we have a far greater percentage of our good ball users in the back half at the min. Bowey, Salem, XL, Judd. I wonder if we brought Sestan in if we could move Bowey into the role Spargo has been playing. If he could continue his good form up the ground it would certainly improve our ball movement inside 50.