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Why and where will he play. He has no form. Let him earn promotion. JVR has earned a chance well before Joel.

The other thing is Dees fans are not great at pre booking. We have never had to really and this May reflect in total walk ups of Round1 and this season.

You said all the other tickets that weren't sold prior to Round1 and obviously missed the mark! It could happen again even if the GP is on. Reckon 40,000 might get there.

Love your attitude WCW and Beard. So true.

Gee Debauched you put a strange attitude to situations, almost bizarre in fact. In 1956 or at least one of the famous 50's Grand Finals we won our 19th and 20th players did not come on the ground. Do you think those reserves on the bench who did not participate go to our reunions and not be proud or thankful or regarded as part of our premiership team. Has society changed that much in 70 years that JJ would think like you posted. He after all played during the year and contributed. Or does society look at things in such a warped and selfish way ( like you obviously) that all team rules have gone out the window. Hate to be your son if that happened to me btw and you gave that attitude to him. Why is he going to feel uncomfortable at reunions? He is part of that famous 23 who got medals and Will for ever ( including Jacko) be heroes to all Demons fans ( except maybe you) that broke that drought. It's hard not being sort of personal in this post as I can't think of this situation like you have portrayed in any time nor place. Cricket flags are won by some players who have not batted or bowled in the match just fielded and there are 12th man involved. Want to take their reunion invite away as well?

PS we upgraded our draft selections to get Pickett not tanked.

Sorry Mac but I resent that accusation about 2019. Yes it's hard to believe we finished 17th with 5 wins but tanking was not in the equation. It has been repeated ad nauseum about our injuries and surgeries after 2018 and many shortened and underdone pre season players that played plus further injuries that season. I realise that your post sounds much more exciting but really it's not correct and I am spoiling it with the truth. Msybe that's what the Eagles and Dockers are saying in your state but it's about as seriously correct as the constant booing of umpires and opponents by Eagles fans.

Yes it does. Even in footy you need a supporting role to back up Jack. Part of last weeks performance reeked of NOnE or very little leadership. Jack is good at showing us the way but Maysie or Rick or even Trac May well avoid the void with ideas encouragement and even actions as well. It's important to communicate at times especially if things are not going well. You and others might say you don't need a name to do that but it's a much better alternative if some responsibility is recognised and rewarded and the team plays recognising roles and importance within structures etc. Wr need all our small 1% ers on show on Sunday to break this frightening hoodoo of two decades. I would make both Rick and Maysie deputy VCs as they have earned the respect and honour doing the backline proud over the last 3 plus years.

PS We are not playing STH MELB. Not sure you are hoping it's like the old Swans before Their move to Sydney. Same as we are not The REDLEGS that is Norwood in the SANFL. I am not sure when we became the Demons but think it was some time in the '40's when The great Checker Hughes was coaching premierships. I know we value and love our history in two great eras last century but the DEMONS won all the 50's 60's and most importantly the 2021 premiership not the previous name. Of Fuschias and Redlegs if in fact that was ever our name!!

For the very reason you say NO to JVR I say YES PLEASE. Get him in as the Weid 2nd ruck role ( that he could not grab due to his uncompetitive ness) resting forward and supporting Brody and around the ground. He played that to perfection last Sat at Casey snd with Max sidelined for up to 6 matches JVR deserves his debut. Playing him is not going to lose us the game as we have to play smarter vs Swans than we have for the past 20 years and Goody must be accountable for our recent record vs the Swans,

The very reason Harry should be pushed forward if not at the start but during the game ( if we are struggling) is that we are playing Sydney and need some X factor and surprise for the Swans. Goody has been out coached by John Longmuire in 2 games in 2022 plus games prior since 2017 and had to come up with a greater strategy and not just depend on our contested ball factor to win. Swans always match it and are smarter up forward to boot. I were oilfield bring in JVR to the 22 and also have Tmac ready to go down back and Harry to CHF orFF. We need good marking players vs the McCartins as well and no Gawny remember. We need to lower our eyes and deliver to leading forwards. Also how good has BBB been! Funny how his detractors are quiet and they said he was cooked. Saying that about Tmac also. I believe JVR's game last Sat at Casey as a run on second ruckman taking 11marks and his tackles should earn him a debut in the role and he can rest up forward and on the bench. I know most Dees fans would rather have 5 goals from JVR than playing a team role but he can be just as good not being minded all the time Tjis us the role we wanted Weid to do but his greatest weakness was his competitiveness in the Seniors. JVR almost thrives on this style and it's second nature. Release him please to kick start his career while Max is out . Hibbo also should come back in place of Melksham or Harmes. He puts pressure on forwards both physically and mentally. Go Dees this is our biggest test other than Cwood let's get it right and learn why we have failed the Swans test 17 out of the last 20 games most on the MCG.

Tmac spent a short period in defense vs Dogs I believe and a swap with Petty should always be ON during a game. How you have dreampt LangdonHB ? Howes as a replacement winger when JJ was best in midfield at Casey? and Viney down back??? Who is going to take marks around the ground? Going on form for Casey JVR is a lock in for that and a forward role at times also. Hope we play a full hard Demon type game this week and prove we are tough enough to go with the big boys.

WWSWS I am not that naive to think that there wont be 120,000 plus at The GPrix. What I was quoting was the likely 2/3,000 Dees fans that might prefer the GP to our Swans game this Sunday afternoon. I have lived in Melb for 44 years ( and only been interstate for 30 years since) but I know Melbourne as a sports City and why it is one of the best in the world. I will be at the G and hope you are as well and 35,40/000 Dees fans like the Round 1 crowd vs the Dogs.

Let me clarify that last comment. Iam saying there will be more Swans fans to Round 1 than when 8/10,000 Bullies Fans turned up. Might get 45,000 if good weather 50,000 if Dees fans turn up like Round 1.

I bet it wont make a whiff of difference to Pies/Tigers fans on Frid night that trains are out. Dont think trains out made any difference to the 48,000 plus in Round 1 vs Dogs at night. Sunday is a better time slot for replacement transport. BTW Poita how many Dees fans vs Bulldogs did you COUNT? 30,000 35,000 or 38/40,000 ?? And Why should we drop significantly on Sunday except for 2/3,000 for Formula GP? There will be at least as many Swans fans if not more than Bullies!

Tmac far better to do Petty role and say JVR to Macca role with May to FB and Tommo to Grundy role. Harmes and Melksham out Jordon and Hibberd in.

Time to switch Tmac and Petty. Both need a change and Petty is nervous without May and Tmac needs to play with the ball in front of him. Harmes unless he tags to be dropped and JJ or Schache to be promoted, Melksham must earn his place and 200 games.

No JVR ?? Was in best.

Why drop Thommo if he us in good form ? Tmac should be in defence and Petty when fit on the forward line. I have this feeling Petty is never the same without May. Never as confident. Any one else feel that way ?

Yes 3031 I remember it was in the third quarter around the arc area at the Wellington St end. Hats off to Fritta who didn't play his usual classy game but worked in nicely at the end for his 3 goals and had other opportunities. He will be cherry ripe for next week for a big bag vs the Swans

Agree got the bad one out of our system early in the season. Midfielders very poor until last stanza.

Hopefully the person saying Clarry is not a game changer has been earmarked for a remedial football institution where he can learn what true champions are to a team as Clarry was last night and has been in every game he has played in his outstanding career. Two of the best examples are Round 23 2021 in our famous comeback at the Cattery and also in the GF from the 3rd quarter on when we made our move in bang bang bang etc. it usually starts on the ball and Clarry is front and centre many a time.

If that's the case ( and I am not certain that you are completely correct ) then maybe he should restart in the Casey VFLers. I actually think his comeback games from injury Vs Port in 2017 and I think In2018 vs Cats in the Elim Final were very good.

That's right no supply we are on the back foot all over the ground. Seemed to me at the game we did not man up or mutually respect the opposition at centre bounces throw ins or ball ups. We thought we could outplay them at any time and backed ourselves in for far too long. Yes Max off etc. did not help but we had the same excuse last year when Maysie got injured vs Freo. We don't seem to have a PlanB. Would have been a perfect opportunity to switch Tmac and Petty halfway through the second quarter. The reason is simple and clear Harry is not the same defender when Maysie is not out on the ground "helping him " both physically and mentally. Up forward he can restart and go for marks. Tmac was not threatening and we looked small and out gunned in the backline. Tmac could have solved that by going back. 2nd Last point Harmesy should have been assigned as a tag to SOMEONE or he perhaps is not that valuable in any other role in the team. Would Jordon or Dunstan or Rivers do any worse as our 5th mid? 15/18 disposals plus tackling and a goal is all that is expected from our 5th mid not a Clarry or Trac special. PS If I misread Harmes role tonight then sorry but he is a good tagger Last point It's mind boggling to think that we probably would have won this game if ONE of Maxy or Kossie or Maysie or Salo had played in the team for the whole night. But where were the leaders to step up from our players when Maxy went down missing? JV usually does step up and none of the "leadership 3 or 4 or5 or 6 or more did not either. We have had a scare early doors please don't ignore some lessons we can learn from like last year. We have too much ability to waste another 12 months not trying to be bold and creative.

With respect Nicko the votes are not a 1,2, and 3 "best in Show" (or On Ground) tacklefest. Yes some players did not look like they were up for a tackle inc. Fritta. Tackled poorly. Still earns his 3 goals to prove his class.