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@old dee - see what I meant? Exciting news. A win tonight coupled with a prime time Friday night game next week could give us another nice boost.

If we look anything like the MFC of 2018 we should be markedly better than last week and could well win. Our next three (Essendon, Sydney, St Kilda) are all winnable but we have back-to-back six day breaks from today, which isn't going to make catching up on fitness any easier. Today is important.

This is quite possibly correct. Viney hasn't played 100 games yet. Gawn just played his 100th game. Frost has played 70, OMac 63. That's the point I'm making: our key players aren't in the same age/experience bracket as Port's (or most other good sides'). You're not wrong about the actual experienced players being poor though (Jones and Jetta were terrible, Hibberd did a lot of good things but his kicking was atrocious). But we weren't looking to Jones and Jetta to drive any improvement, we were looking to Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Gawn, Salem, Harmes and Petracca and, of those, Gawn is the only 100-game player (with the weekend being the 100th game). Our 2018 shows that this isn't the be all and end all. These players, despite their age/inexperience, can get the job done. But I believe it is important for us to keep our list demographic at the forefront of our minds when we look at performances such as this one.

Certainly more positive than the rumours which were going around on here last week (doesn't mean the rumours aren't true of course, but at the very least I'm heartened by this comment and the fact that the rumours haven't yet been suggested to be true). I wonder if he's referring to some of the off-the-ball blocks Port put on Gawn?

Sure, but we didn't hire someone to replace him?

This ties in with the points that have been previously made about our list demographic. Port's key players (Boak, Ebert, Gray, Ryder, Watts, Westhoff) are all far more experienced, with more pre-seasons under their belts, than our key players (many of whom have barely played 50 games).

Source? Particularly as to Garlett? KK played on the weekend so surely wouldn't be on the injury list any more? On a related note, why is the club's website so terrible?

We were 2-3 last year. Come back to me if we're 1-4 or 0-5.

Classic old dee. With four months left, you think we'll struggle to sign 1,200 more memberships to get to 45,000. Just for comparison, in 2013 (peak Mark Neeld) we signed 7,000-odd members between March and July. That would get us to 50,000.

Why? Kent would likely be on the injury list all year anyway, and if we brought him in we'd get his usual one good game for three bad ones. Don't start re-writing history now. I'd be prepared to put money on your changing your mind at least once between now and team selection. I read somewhere today that Lewis is out for a month? Is that right?

If Jones had held his dropped mark in the fourth and converted the shot (he's a good set shot from that range) the margin would have been 3 points early in the fourth. In the blink of an eye 3 became 15 and I'm sure confidence across the ground sagged. I suppose that means we were kind of in it even into the fourth?

It was described as a cyst or a boil on TV tonight. Was also mentioned that he was under general anaesthetic for the procedure to remove it. Potentially far more serious than some of the flippant comments in this thread suggest. If true, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it impacted his preparation or his performance.

Tom Browne on Talking Footy reported earlier that Gawn was in hospital last week for a day procedure under general anaesthetic. Not sure if ti's true, and if it is not sure if that impacted upon his preparation or his fitness. Has anyone else heard anything about that? Edit: given there's an entire thread on it, I suppose so. My bad.

Don't know for sure, but found this for Port. Looks like Port had Rockliff, Watts, Robbie Gray, Bonner and Amon. The article suggests that only Rockliff was going to miss any pre-season training, though. I'm not sure which of our players who had operations missed pre-season training, so it's hard to compare. But on raw numbers it's something like 10 MFC players vs 5 PAFC players. This is not a bad thought, actually. Our on-field leadership has always struggled and without Lewis would have been even worse. I'd be confident we were using Cross heavily last year to fix things up. The uncontested possessions tell the fitness story. It's the contested possessions that tell a more worrying story and go beyond the fitness issues, I think. I'd either missed or fogotten about Brayshaw. I don't know whether the bigger impacts come from surgeries in October/November which delay the start of the player's pre-season, or lack of match fitness which prevents full training in Jan/Feb. There's also the inability to get the entire side out on the park at any given time which hurts, too.

I hold fears too, but the reality is we're all operating on guesses and assumptions. None of us know for sure if his limp on the weekend was foot-related or was a cork or whatever he copped in the VFL practice match. Still, if his fitness doesn't let him do any more than he was able to on Saturday, I'd like him to own up to it and, as a leader, remove himself from the seniors until he's fit enough to compete.

Probably my last comment on the pre-season surgeries issue. This is a list of players who had interrupted or delayed pre-seasons due to surgery: Clayton Oliver (double shoulder surgery) Jack Viney (ankle surgery) Neville Jetta (shoulder/knee surgery) James Harmes (shoulder surgery) Aaron vandenBerg (shoulder surgery) Jayden Hunt (shoulder surgery) Christian Petracca (knee surgery) Mitch Hannan (dual knee surgery) Oscar McDonald (hip surgery) Marty Hore (ankle surgery) Jake Melksham (ankle surgery) Jake Lever (knee surgery) Guy Walker (shoulder surgery) Jones didn't have surgery but had a hamstring issue and, as the linked article mentions, impacted on his ability to take part in a "critical training phase" during the pre-season. Edit: and both KK and May had injuries as well. There may also have been other players with non-operated injuries, I'm not sure.

Which starts with Gawn, and means we have to look into his poor performance yesterday. Whether it was his fitness, or facing two ruckmen, or Lycett just playing really well, or a combination of those things, our gameplan relies (too much, possibly) on Gawn dominating the ruck. We just can't afford for him to have as little impact as he did yesterday.

It gets mentioned because it's relevant, ADC. Sparrow 0 games, Hore 0 games, Wagner 8. They had rookies and inexperienced kids, so did we. But one of the main differences was that their key players, their leaders and their A-graders, the ones they look to to lift them when they're down, are all far more experienced than ours. Many of our key players have barely played 50 games. It's an important issue, and it's equally frustrating to people like me to read posts like yours that say "well our opponent had some kids so I don't want to hear anyone say we're young". But in saying that, it's not the only issue (our ability to make a prelim last year shows it doesn't have to be a barrier).

It's a bit ridiculous, IMO. "We need to get back to winning CPs to stop teams spreading" but also "we need to spread more because we're not winning CPs". We're a side built around winning clearances and CPs. We showed last year that when we do that successfully, we score heavily and win games. I find it silly that after one bad loss, the gameplan needs to be thrown out the window. The issue isn't our focus on CPs, it's our inability to execute that plan.

I reckon we should all take a sample size of more than one match before we draw conclusions on certain clubs, us included. If you'd done that after Round 1 last year you might have argued that Carlton were in for a good year (they'd won both JLT games and pushed Richmond, scoring 95 points against the reigning premier who scarcely conceded 100), or that Collingwood was in for another wasted season (after their terrible showing against Hawthorn), or that West Coast was what everyone thought they'd be, just a middle of the road side (after losing their first game to Sydney).

It's not about having a month less pre-season because of finals. It's about players requiring surgery either at the start of pre-season or during it, and/or being injured and not being able to do a full pre-season.

He didn't, really: Brilliant ruckman Max Gawn played one of his poorest games in recent memory, being worked over by Port's duo of Paddy Ryder and Scott Lycett, while also copping plenty of physical attention. Goodwin indicated he would look at bringing recruit Braydon Preuss into the side. "It's something that we're used to. ‘Gawny’ gets targeted most weeks. Max will continue to get better," Goodwin said. "He probably didn't play his best game today. We'll look to how we potentially support him better. We'll continually look at that as a match committee. "Ultimately though, it's not something new. It's happened for a long time now. We'll just get better at it."

Oscar had surgery right after the season, IIRC. Per this article, as at 7 December our rehab group included Oliver, Hunt, Petracca, Viney, Jetta, Melksham and Oscar (as well as others).

One of OMac and Frost goes for May. I vote Frost, but I don't care too much because they're both awful. If Lewis is fit he comes back in for Hore, but I don't know if Lewis will be fit. I'd probably drop Hore anyway. Would love KK to be fit. If Viney's genuinely not fit then he should stand up as a captain and declare it, and make way for someone else. Who? I'm not sure. There's not a lot to get excited about at Casey tbh. Spargo deseves to be dropped but who replaces him? We need to try out Preuss. Stanley beat Gawn once last year and did well against Grundy last night. I'm worried he and Ratugolea will get physical with Gawn again and he'll struggle.

6 - Salem 5 - Harmes 4 - Melksham 3 - Brayshaw 2 - Hibberd 1 - Hunt