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Absolutely I agree! The key here is if there is no better offer on the table from othet clubs and assuming that pick 9 is highly likely to give us the player we may have used pick 2 on anyway. (Freeman perhaps based on the rumours) This obssession that we can twist another club's arm into gifting us a a contracted player is fanciful. If this came to pass its because we get a known quantity in Bugg with a prospect in Buntine and a slightly less certainty of getting Freeman/Crouch/Kardahian.

or the year after. He signed a two year contract extension this year. I'd say go hard at Dom Tyson next year if he continues to develop, but the PSD is losing its appeal with player managers. So far GWS haven't remotely shown themselves to be realistic in what they expect in return for their players/picks and want the AFL tocontinue to allow them TPP room to 'encourage' success beyond the COLA. I get that they want to build a competitive list, but swings and roundabouts.

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I think it's far more likely as already intimated in the media that if Buddy goes to GWS it will only be if they adequately compensate Hawthorn ie pick 1. Which they will use to take Boyd. Personally I hope that Buddy does go to GWS it take them out of the market and makes using the PSD a real option i.e. Martin for nothing (if we assess the risk that he poses as being tolerable - which seems doubtful) That way we can use pick 2 for someone like Swallow or Sloane.

Yes it's crazy. They'll take Whitfield for sure, regardless of type he's the best available player in the draft, you don't bye pass that sort of talent.

What about 4&12 for 7?

No he can still put some miles in his legs which is the one area he struggled in pre-season. We know he can get the ball and deliver it, he just needs to develop a bigger engine.

A kick arse song from one of the Albums of 2011 (for me anyway) and I love the video because I think it's taking the [censored] out of the entire industry and the obsession with turning music video's into hollywood blockbusters Oh and Macca I agree. Exile on Main St is one of the all time great albums. Let it Bleed, Beggars Banquet Exile On Main Street and Sticky Fingers were a real high water mark for the Stones

In the true spirit of Eddie and the boys I'm not a huge music video fan (so why the hell am I posting here!), but I do like this one - it's a damn fine album too.

Been listening to a lot of new music lately. Some of my favourites are: The Horrible Crowes: Elsie The Black Keys: El Camino Pygmy Lush: Old Friends Bruce Springsteen: The Promise BRMC: Beat the Devil's Tattoo White Denim: D Tom Waits: Bad as Me Someone Still Loves You Boris Yeltsin: Let it Sway Oupa: Forget Eagerly waiting for the new releases from British India, Pearl Jam and Boy in a Box's debut album.

I reckon you're right.... Jack Viney come on down.

Pretty naive and silly of his manager if his intention was to get home, but apparently GC asking price was also a little steep. Interesting to see what happens next year because GC may have to be a little more attentive to offers.

The asking price for Caddy is apparently two compensatory picks. Wants to return to Melbourne on compassionate grounds. He was taken at pick 7 in last years draft and was restricted to two games this year by injury. Seems to be a highly rated inside mid. Any further thoughts?

From the Age: Essendon is highly unlikely to meet Gold Coast's asking price for onballer Josh Caddy, who wants to return to Melbourne to be with his unwell father. The Bombers had been trawling clubs trying to access two compensation picks to satisfy the Suns, to no avail. Read more: http://www.theage.co...l#ixzz1asmPwJth

Well it looks like Brisbane have 8+12. Let''s see if that's what they use to get Tippet.

By virtue of the fact that we were third in line for one of two options we've missed out on securing a replacement for Scully. I think next year represents a good opportunity though with the club having a bit of a war chest behind it to grab a ready made replacement. Besides Pendlebury and Goddard who come out of contract (who I think are only the remotest of chances -if at all) there are others such as Andrew Gaff whose player managers we should be persuading to look at joining the red and the blue. Even if we have to commit our first pick to Jack Viney we can still activate both compensation selections at the start of the year in what will be a much stronger draft. Neeld will have had 12 mths to work out what he needs from our list and who can be traded to get a suitable deal done.

Won't work... if you read between the lines the deal the Lions have worked out for Tippet is picks 8 &12. Whilst both players have similar currency in the current market, one is in contract and one out of contract, that effects the bottom line price because the Lions know they will lose Clark regardless. The Crows have 12 more months to work out a deal.

Brisbane want our first pick to bundle with theirs to get Tippet from the Crows to replace Mitch Clark. Freo's pick 16 isn't enough so the Crows must have some good drum on who will be taken where in the draft. If Freo really want him then it appears that the only way to do this deal for them is to do a three way with Melbourne. Such as: Freo give Melbourne a player and pick 16 Melbourne give Freo pick 12 Freo give Brisbane pick 12 for Clark. The complication could be that Brisbane may still want to be involved in the first round of the draft so to get our compensatory pick that was on offer for Clark it'd have to be a pretty good player (from the MFC perspective) thrown into the mix. This is why trade time is so interesting. The real drama is about how much are Freo prepared to pay for Clark... he doesn't want to go anywhere except Perth, but GWS won't care about that. An alternative, but less likely three way would be between Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide. delivering Tippet to the Crows, a player/s from Brisbane to Melbourne and two first round draft picks to the Crows. (which in essence is the clark deal - but with an alternative player) the real stumbling block here for clubs is that the groundwork needs to be done ahead of the proposal. I imagine there are few player that the MFC would be genuinely interested in that are available/willing to be traded by the club or player themselves.

I seriously doubt the club will trade anyone unless like Warnock they wish to be traded for greater opportunities (potentially this may include Bate, Dunn and Maric as well) No matter how good a deal armchair experts come up with the reality is always far removed. The player has to 'agree' to any trade and there's always an impact on the playing group. I think the club might be active in trade week, but I'd see us getting anything substantial based more around our draft picks than players on the periphery.

Straight swap for Cotchin, Martin and Vickery.

A lot depends on the incoming St Kilda coach, but they're definitely struggling to make room in the TPP. Kosi has been touted as trade bait for some time. He definitely has his limitations, but the argument is about what attributes he possesses that we lack in general. He's more than happy to dish out punishment and crash into defenders. We have absolutely no one that can play that role at the moment with the exception of Jamar - but he's no where near Kosi in terms of contested marking. As Old said he fills a gap for a few years... that's what you'd recruit him for to allow you to have the structures you need to develop a workable game plan. I've seen Jesse White over the last couple of years and I can't see why people rate him... According to Gerard Healy he's the laziest footballer going around. Personally I think he wouldn't offer anywhere near the physicality of Kosi and I just don't see what others see in him.

Yes

Gee for the next 'elite' midfielder that couldn't get a regular game for the Cats, Prismall is struggling to get a game for the Bombers. Oh well he didn't want to come to our club... wonder if Brock McLean will get a recall soon. I'm happier with Gysberts and Bennell (even though he didn't have a great game yesterday).

The analogy works for Brisbane as well, perhaps more so... back to back spoons, followed by a second last, then third last and then fourth last before finishing 8th and then another spoon in 98 ( keep in mind they had pretty much their premiership team playing by then - sans Brown) a couple of years playing finals and then the three in a row. from start to finish 9 years. How ironic I'm listening to Soundgarden right now... Jesus Christ Pose... Bails assume the position!

I know some won't agree (which is fine- I'm more than comfortable with the idea that there won't be agreement - or God forbid I'm wrong) but I see more than a few similarities with our regeneration and that of Geelong's - albeit we're coming from a lot further back than they did. In 99 Geelong went to the draft to rebuild their list, they had a newly installed coach (the difference being that they retained their recruiting manager for the journey). They had a lot of early picks due to trades. In 99 they got Joel Corey with pick 8 then missed with their next three selections (Spriggs 15, Bray 17, Foster 23) before getting Chapman, Ling and Enright. Steven Wells obviously didn't rate the 00 draft and they only got Josh Hunt with the first of their three selections at 44, before going back to the 01 draft to get Bartel, Kelly, Johnson and Ablett. This was to be the nucleus of their side during their premierships. Interestingly not every early pick worked , but on balance some of the later ones turned out to be solid gold to get the ledger back to black. While it's true Bomber Thompson didn't need to bottom out quite as badly to rebuild his list, it still took a while. True he had a honeymoon first year where they played finals (though lost in straight sets) on the back of what had been a very successful (but ultimately no premiership) decade in the 90s, but then it was very middle of the road 12th, 9th, 12th while he took stock. They started to make their charge in 04 finishing 4th, then 5th then 10th (a year that provided the catalyst for the premiership the next year) It took no less than 8 years from the start of the process to their first premiership, and you could argue that may have been 12 mths overdue, but the analogy is I think valid. It all takes time and football supporters aren't patient. I still remember in 06 the chorus of Geelong fans calling for Thompson to be sacked, Bartel and crew to be traded as too flakey, too slow, not hard enough etc. Bailey deserves time, the team deserves time.