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    I suppose it goes without saying that the man we look to replace CAC with be the best available? :rolleyes:

    touche !!!! lol :D

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    I suppose it goes without saying that the man we look to replace CAC with be the best available? :rolleyes:

    But we need KPP!

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    I have been thinking along similiar lines to some of the above re stars over the last decade,

    come next year's 150th game, can you think of any Melbourne player who will be selected?

    (not counting S.Thompson and TJ of course).

    If the following players have an awesome start to the season they could be selected:

    Davey (A)

    McLean (V)

    White (V)

    Green (A)

    McDonald (V)

    Bruce (V)

    Robbo (A)

    Jones (V)

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    I suppose it goes without saying that the man we look to replace CAC with be the best available? :rolleyes:

    Best. Post. Ever.

    Meanwhile, I think there's a limit to how much a recruiter can do. Anyone who is destined to be an out and out star and shows it by the time they're 18 will obviously go top of the draft. We've only been right at the top of the draft picks twice in recent years, 1997 (oops, Travis Johnstone) and 2003 where we picked up Sylvia and Mclean. Mclean has been interrupted by injury but is so obviously an impending star that it's not worth debating. Sylvia has been even more injury troubled, and hasn't been able to deliver consistently yet. Jury is still out if you ask me, given he is yet to have a pre-season.

    A great many other top players are shaped by their first few years of coaching. A recruiter can't really do so much about that, but I think he's done very well. We are hopefully about to see a couple of mature players deliver their full potential.

    And finally, Jared Rivers. Pick 20ish, Rising Star Award winner. So far has been cruelled by injuries but if they clear up then I would be shocked if he didn't claim a couple of third tall defender All-Australian selections in his career.

    A recruiter simply can't be held responsible for superstars. Perhaps for a general rating of A,B,C,D quality players, but so much is out of their hands for the ten years and more after the recruiter's work is done.

    One interesting point- at 'thedrafter.net' Melbourne under CAC is rated (by popular vote) the second-best drafting team of the last ten years, behind only Hawthorn which is of course influenced by the bulk first-round selections they've acquired in the last few years. This does not inlcude Rookie and pre-season drafts, either, where at the least Davey would push us up a little more.

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    out of interest, do you know steve harris, have you worked with him and could you elaborate on your experiences?

    i am not saying he is not a problem, but apart from the odd comment on here regarding that turnover rate i have never heard a bad word about him, and would like to know any evidence as to why he is the reason and why it isnt other issues such as poor work place environment, poor pay, another staff member, lack of staff (resulting in extra work loads for others) etc. what makes you so sure steve harris is the problem?

    I hate slinging mud. It's not fun at all but Harris is notoriously hard to work for and with. Was editior of the Age and has many a splintered relationship.

    The AFL has alerted the board to their displeasure of our turnover. As I said, 90% in the past year. It means we keep on losing money we desperately need on recruitment for vacancies.

    Former employees, ever diplomatic, don't refer to Harris as a reason for leaving. But when a bloke with such poor people management skills is in charge at a time of disturbing turnover, it's obvious where the problem lies.

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    I hate slinging mud. It's not fun at all but Harris is notoriously hard to work for and with. Was editior of the Age and has many a splintered relationship.

    The AFL has alerted the board to their displeasure of our turnover. As I said, 90% in the past year. It means we keep on losing money we desperately need on recruitment for vacancies.

    Former employees, ever diplomatic, don't refer to Harris as a reason for leaving. But when a bloke with such poor people management skills is in charge at a time of disturbing turnover, it's obvious where the problem lies.

    Dammit. There I was comfortably believing that it was only every workplace I or anyone I knew had ever worked in which was where the managers with poor people skills worked.

    But seriously, I really do expect better. I've been known to quit jobs in direct response to poor managers, it's not something I stand for.

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    Dammit. There I was comfortably believing that it was only every workplace I or anyone I knew had ever worked in which was where the managers with poor people skills worked.

    But seriously, I really do expect better. I've been known to quit jobs in direct response to poor managers, it's not something I stand for.

    PM me if you have something clearer which will spark me into action - once I get riled I can actually have an impact in my odd, furiously calm little way.

    There isn't a scandal here, it's a HR issue.

    Harris is a fine person but he needs to provide some stability; change of behaviour? restructure? I don't know.

    I just know that we are wasting $ on recruitment (because of turnover) around 3 to 1 compared to other clubs. That is why the AFL is worried.

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    There isn't a scandal here, it's a HR issue.

    Harris is a fine person but he needs to provide some stability; change of behaviour? restructure? I don't know.

    I just know that we are wasting $ on recruitment (because of turnover) around 3 to 1 compared to other clubs. That is why the AFL is worried.

    i'm not worried about the turnover because we have a new look group and every thing else was falling apart under ND, whereas now we have a fresh start with a fresh group

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    all is not lost just yet it seems.. Bailey to fight for CAC !!

    http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=2...mp;newsId=53914

    how good is it to see this club have spirit again !!!!!! Go Bails Go !! Love this guy already

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    all is not lost just yet it seems.. Bailey to fight for CAC !!

    http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=2...mp;newsId=53914

    how good is it to see this club have spirit again !!!!!! Go Bails Go !! Love this guy already

    I'm not really sure if this is a bit naiive... But i tend to think that the fact CAC is thinking of moving on, is more of an indication of how well he thinks MFC is going.

    Obviously we have had a terrible year last year, but we have a lot of good young developing players and he's just added some great kids to that mix. Is it possible that with his insider knowledge he thinks the Dees are in for a really good year (or few years) and that the importance of his role will diminish?

    I think he looks like the kinda guy that relishes a challenge as I think most people in positions at AFL clubs would & do.

    And to be honest, Richmond is in a hell of a lot of trouble and that would be the dream challenge.

    Re-build his boyhood team from the dead. I think if i was in his shoes, I'd do the same.

    Actually I know I would.

    Or they could just be offering him a truckload of money.

    In which case I couldn't really blame him either. The guys gotta eat. Caviar & champagne if poss.

    Fingers crossed we keep him

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    A smart club will never rest on its laurels. Its always looking to replenish and maitain its competetive advantage ( or get one ) .

    There maybe any number of reasons CAC is considerign moving on.. possibly the lure of his bohood club etc. maybe just more bucks ..who knows.

    But Bails obviously doesnt want him to go. Im just pleased that despite the outcome that this club will no longer just lets thigs happen to it without makiing some effort to look after its own interests.

    Hopefully this is THE attitude of the club in all matters ( big hint/nudge to club re 150th thunder and the AFL !! )

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    Cameron wasnt THAT great in his time here

    Molan - FARK :angry:

    Nick Smith - 4 games in 4 years

    Aaron Rogers

    Steven Armstrong

    Sylvia hasnt lived up to expectation

    James Frawley is a worry to be honest, considering he was our first pick in such a strong draft

    The only GOOD recruits IMO have been

    Rivers, Mclean, Jones, Bate (still early) and I think Petterd will be good

    If you want a good recruiting look at Geelongs, Egan and Stokes were taken in the 60s!!

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    If you want a good recruiting look at Geelongs, Egan and Stokes were taken in the 60s!!

    So were Bruce and Bartam

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    So were Bruce and Bartam

    Egan is a KPP tho. And why didnt we go for one of those on draft day? Get a bunch of mids with noone to kick it to. :huh:

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    Others have said it before, but it is difficult to read some peoples comments who say 'oh well he wasn't that good anyway'.

    Those who are, are just kidding themselves.

    It's alright to feel pain, it means that it matters, and it does because you love your club.

    It's OK to be optimistic, console your online mates and get on with things, but to live in denial and shun our potential loss is mightily misplaced machoism.

    Stay with us CAC. Your hard work has us on the brink of a hell of a comeback season.

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    Others have said it before, but it is difficult to read some peoples comments who say 'oh well he wasn't that good anyway'.

    Those who are, are just kidding themselves.

    It's alright to feel pain, it means that it matters, and it does because you love your club.

    It's OK to be optimistic, console your online mates and get on with things, but to live in denial and shun our potential loss is mightily misplaced machoism.

    Stay with us CAC. Your hard work has us on the brink of a hell of a comeback season.

    You're kidding. What makes you say that? our list is in trouble lets be honest. If you look at other bottom 8 sides, Freo, Adelaide, St K, easily ahead of us atm. Brisbane have good youngsters and a supertstar forward, Carlton are picking up a ridiculous and (albeit unfair) amount of high draft picks and Judd. We have noone of superstar material, he's been here 10 years.

    Whats the fuss again?

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    You're kidding. What makes you say that? our list is in trouble lets be honest. If you look at other bottom 8 sides, Freo, Adelaide, St K, easily ahead of us atm. Brisbane have good youngsters and a supertstar forward, Carlton are picking up a ridiculous and (albeit unfair) amount of high draft picks and Judd. We have noone of superstar material, he's been here 10 years.

    Whats the fuss again?

    So it's a good thing he's leaving is it Anders? It's a positive thing for the club?

    You've actually been thinking to yourself that: "Gee we should get rid of that Craig Cameron, the club in fact would be so much better off without his 11 years exerience. That damn Newton, that rednut Bate, that developing Frawley, Dunn, Pettard, Bartram and Bell. That highsight to pick Bruce, Davey and Bartram from nowhere, really could have been done by anyone. And that recent crop, God! I wonder why Mfc are the envy of every footy commentator after this draft?"

    Carlton getting picks is CAC's fault? Interesting...

    St Kilda ahead of us in recruiting? How so?

    Mate I feel pretty safe in the knowledge that we will finish ahead of the Crows next year.

    Freo as an example? Drafting two duds in their late 20's. Is this a model you suggest?

    Tell me you had an opinion on CAC before his departure. And what was it (if it differs from the above).

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    A simplistic and misguided perspective at best. :rolleyes:

    Im soeey rr but i agree with sleeve on this why do we not have superstars like other clubs that win flags.

    Maybe we should relise that cac is good but what he picks doesnt seem to win flags,

    the proof is in the pudding as they say.

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