i posted much earlier that if judd didn't choose melbourne, we would still be in a good position where we could trade pick 4 for more than it's true worth, as carlton or collingwood are desperate to secure the judd trade...

so my question, what would we accept off either the pies or the blues for pick 4?

rusling, pendlebury, cloke, fevola, walker, murphy are names that spring to mind combined with other picks perhaps...

Rusling = dud

Pendlebury = soft

Cloke = cant kick

Fevola = wouldnt give a 4th rounder for him

Walker = worse than Godfrey , not a chance

Murphy = maybe

Swap first rounders with the Pies and take Goldsack.

Swap first rounders with the Pies and take Goldsack.

id take dale thomes over any of the players mentioned. hes a superstar. unlikely they would get rid of him though

Here's an idea, how about we keep our pick #4, and get a few other first round picks. Developing our own future champions, rather than poaching them.

Here's an idea, how about we keep our pick #4, and get a few other first round picks. Developing our own future champions, rather than poaching them.

YES YES YES I like your thinking.

Good idea.

Choose Thorton from Carlton.

Goldsack, Thomas and Pendlebury from Collingwood.

Good idea.

Choose Thorton from Carlton.

Goldsack, Thomas and Pendlebury from Collingwood.

After the trade talk of thornton last season I have paid special attention to him this season & I believe he's too slow & loose.

Im realy not in the mood to bend over and help either collection of scum acquire Chris Judd. Any attempts to take pick 4 from Melbourne's hands must involve considerable hurt from our trading partner. I don't believe us winning comfortably out of any dea for pick 4 will see us viewed in future asa poor trading partner. Given the desperation of whichever club is after our pick, we'd be mad to accept an deal in which we came out only marginal winners.

I agree Pantaloons.

It is a good time to be ruthless.

ps. I loved your speech (I have a dream...)

I agree Pantaloons.

It is a good time to be ruthless.

ps. I loved your speech (I have a dream...)

Thanks mate. Apparently some Judd clown didn't though. He was more into Jerry McGuire-style speeches.

Im realy not in the mood to bend over and help either collection of scum acquire Chris Judd. Any attempts to take pick 4 from Melbourne's hands must involve considerable hurt from our trading partner. I don't believe us winning comfortably out of any dea for pick 4 will see us viewed in future asa poor trading partner. Given the desperation of whichever club is after our pick, we'd be mad to accept an deal in which we came out only marginal winners.

i totally agree... what i'm getting at I guess is we should really look at ripping of carlton or the scum at the trade table in their effort to get Judd... if we can't get judd, the next best thing would be ripping off the pies for pick 4...

No way are we giving this pick away

Pick 4 is off the table in my opinion. It was only ever on the table for Juddy. After the judd trade, there wont be a big enough deal for us to move the 4th pick.

THe dees won't help out collingwood or Carlton unless they were willing to give up something decent, we all know that Jarod Waite and Andrew Walker are on the market, and I am sorry to say but neither or both do not warrant pick 4.

My money is on Pick four staying at Melbourne.

The dees will still be heavily involved in trade week, just not with pick 4.

Pick 4 is off the table in my opinion. It was only ever on the table for Juddy. After the judd trade, there wont be a big enough deal for us to move the 4th pick.

THe dees won't help out collingwood or Carlton unless they were willing to give up something decent, we all know that Jarod Waite and Andrew Walker are on the market, and I am sorry to say but neither or both do not warrant pick 4.

My money is on Pick four staying at Melbourne.

The dees will still be heavily involved in trade week, just not with pick 4.

Jarrod Waite + something might be worth something. He plays tall, and has terrific potential. I agree that trading pick 4 is unlikely now. If anything, it might be worth trading to get another pick in the top 10. Rance + Palmer/Ebert would more than offset any disappointment I feel about the Chris Judd situation.

Jarrod Waite + something might be worth something. He plays tall, and has terrific potential. I agree that trading pick 4 is unlikely now. If anything, it might be worth trading to get another pick in the top 10. Rance + Palmer/Ebert would more than offset any disappointment I feel about the Chris Judd situation.

IMO players like Cloke and Waite are no chance, simply for the reason that they are too hard to give up. Waite looks like he has the potential to be a star (Cloke as well to a lesser extent), but they are also the sons of club legends. Even for presidents with the power of Pratt and Maguire, giving something like that up is too much of a risk.

Firstly .. I dont think teh Filth will giving up anything like we were going to in order to secure Judd...thats if they get him.

Secondly....theres no one at Collingwood Id want... why buy store bought when you can home grow far better

Swap first rounders with the Pies and take Goldsack.

Just what we need, another skinny key defender.

Ben Reid anyone? I'd take him and #14 for 4 no problem at all.

Bub's new rule #3 : Collingwood are the enemy, we dont aid nor abet the enemy.

IMO high draft picks being off the table is stupid. And if we can trade it for a "win" I don't care who we trade it with.

People overvalue early picks. Since 2000 the number 4 picks have been Livingstone, Polak, Walsh, Ray, Tambling, Kennedy and Leuenberger.

Now we all know good players come from early picks, but pick 4 is just that; it's pick 4. It's speculative. You could end up with a champ, or you might end up with Luke Livingstone or Tim Walsh. If you can trade it for a top 10 player from the last couple of years who's doing well plus a second rounder aren't you better off?

We should look to profit from trading. That's what tradings all about. What the other person gets is of no interest to me as long as I'm ahead.

there is no one at Collingwood worth a #4

The only player I would give up pick 4 for is Fevola. But I would also want their late teens pick.

History shows us the best picks of upcoming talent are roughly 1 through 5. Some smokeys are around but they will defy the convention in every which way. To use an early pick on existing talent warrants someone of Judds calibre..and nothing less. There are very few existing players worthy of forfeiting that early pick.

Picks in the lower half of round one may get decent value of exisitng player as the real gems of draft are already gone and your now choosing between an exisitng player of semi known stature ( and potential ) or an upcomer of guesstimate value.

History shows us the best picks of upcoming talent are roughly 1 through 5. Some smokeys are around but they will defy the convention in every which way. To use an early pick on existing talent warrants someone of Judds calibre..and nothing less. There are very few existing players worthy of forfeiting that early pick.

Picks in the lower half of round one may get decent value of exisitng player as the real gems of draft are already gone and your now choosing between an exisitng player of semi known stature ( and potential ) or an upcomer of guesstimate value.

Precisely why we need another top 10 pick. I genuinely don't care how we attain it, so long as the trade participants are 25 or older. Practically nobody should be off-limits.