Judd's Worth

[MikeyJ 60]

I'd trade pick 4, Cameron Bruce and Russell Robertson in a heartbeat.

Whatever it takes.

[BrownlowBruce 1]

i am speechless...

WOW

[dazzledavey36 48,759]

why? because robbo is such a greedy [censored] and all he wants is money?? what happened last time when we gave a player 3 year deal...

by the sound of all reports robbo wants to go to bulldogs and wont sign until ge gets his 3 year deal! well robbo dont sook when we are up on the poduim with juddy holdin that mighty holy grail and ur at home sulking with the rest of ur bulldog mates.

oh and im willing to trade brucey aswell.

[BrownlowBruce 1]

why? because robbo is such a greedy [censored] and all he wants is money?? what happened last time when we gave a player 3 year deal...

by the sound of all reports robbo wants to go to bulldogs and wont sign until ge gets his 3 year deal! well robbo dont sook when we are up on the poduim with juddy holdin that mighty holy grail and ur at home sulking with the rest of ur bulldog mates.

oh and im willing to trade brucey aswell.

taken ur angry pills today..

if that is a reply to me ...

i am wowing at judd announcing he is leavin i have been workin all day oblivious to the fact....

id rather lose bruce than robbo

[Yze_Magic 3]

What i was told, money is not the issue for Judd.

Judd is leaving WCE because of off field problems there.

Judd had decided half way through the season that he intended to leave.

From the info that i was told, Judd's preference is to go to Melbourne FC.

He wants WCE to do their best to make a trade with MFC. If it fails, getting to MFC via PSD is also an option.

However, PSD is not the preference, as getting to MFC via PSD it is very unlikely.

Judd can price himself out of RFC reach, but would not be able to do it to Carlton who has the 2nd pick.

Note: MFC has more room under their salary cap than RFC.

[Nasher 33,047]

Bruce signed a new contract this year, so he is off the table.

Pity really.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,636]

Bruce signed a new contract this year, so he is off the table.

Pity really.

Nasher, just coz he has signed a contract doesn't mean he can't be traded, it just means he must agree to the trade

[demoniac 1,243]

Chris Judd turns 24 in September. He is the 2004 Brownlow medallist. A 2005 premiership player and that year's Norm Smith Medallist. West Coast Captain 2006 - 2007. West Coast Best and Fairest 2004, 2006, 2nd Best and Fairest 2003, 2005, 3rd Best and Fairest 2002. All Australian 2004, 2006.

Please consider the above when offering trade suggestions. No player of his age and his talent has requested to be traded ever.

Any offer to the Eagles for Judd from us will start with our first Pick - Overall selection Nm 4.

It will then have to add a player the West Coast want. This will be one of our best players. A player we don't want to lose. It may be a Maclean or a Jones. It might be Johnstone. And that might not be enough.

[Nasher 33,047]

Nasher, just coz he has signed a contract doesn't mean he can't be traded, it just means he must agree to the trade

RGRS, the clause from the CBA says this:

“Save and except where in the opinion of the General Manager –

Football Operations, there are exceptional and compelling

circumstances that make it harsh and unconscionable for a Player not

to be exchanged, no AFL Club shall exchange any Player who has not

completed at least one AFL Season under his current contract with the

AFL Club or such lesser period as agreed between AFL and AFLPA”.

To me that's pretty clear.

The player actually has to agree to any trade, presumably to prevent the situation that happened with Newport mentioned on one of those other threads, and why we've still got Ryan Ferguson when we could've had Brad Sewell:

18.5 No AFL Club shall exchange any Player unless the Player has been given as much

notice as possible by the AFL Club of its intention to trade without any duress being

applied by the AFL Club, its employees or agents to the player and the Player

genuinely consents to the trade.

[Tex 68]

Judd will nominate the club he wants to go to.

We must hope Judd naturally wants to come to the club he supported as a kid, the Mighty Demons.

If so, West Coast will then begin negotiations with the MFC.

Hopefully Judd tells WCE that if they don't trade him to MFC then he wll nominate for the pre-season draft and the Eagles will get nothing, a la Nick Stevens.

If we can gain the upperhand in the negotiations, with the threat that Judd may go into the draft, we may actually get Judd cheaply, for say a pick 4 only.

Alernatively, if Judd desperately wants to get to MFC at any cost, he could nominate for the preseason draft (where we have pick 3) and he could place $2 million on his head with a one year contract. MFC would have a side agreement with him that we would pay him $3,000,000 over the next 4 years, which would average $1 milllion a year over the 5 years. Carlton and Richmond will pass, leaving him for us to pick him up with pick 3.

Judd to Melbourne, nothing to WCE, costing us pick 3 in the pre-season draft.

This is a long shot, but best case senario.

Go Demons.

[Jerry Lundergard 382]

I am interested in all of this Judd to Carlton talk. I don't know much about being a player agent, but i would think that every club would be talking to his agent(Connors), and his agent would probably do a lot of negociating off his own back, before going back to Judd.

That being said, there is obviously a leak at board level at Carlton, but every club might be getting feedback from his agent as to what it would take to get Judd. It is just a matter of whether that information gets leaked.

I would say due to the arrogance of the Carlton Football Club, that they would just assume that they have him over the line.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,636]

RGRS, the clause from the CBA says this:

To me that's pretty clear.

The player actually has to agree to any trade, presumably to prevent the situation that happened with Newport mentioned on one of those other threads, and why we've still got Ryan Ferguson when we could've had Brad Sewell:

Then the question is Nasher, was Bruce given a blanket three year extension or a new three year contract at the start of the year.

As if it is the later he could be traded provided he agreed. If the former we are stuck with him.

[demoniac 1,243]

Judd will nominate the club he wants to go to.

We must hope Judd naturally wants to come to the club he supported as a kid, the Mighty Demons.

If so, West Coast will then begin negotiations with the MFC.

Hopefully Judd tells WCE that if they don't trade him to MFC then he wll nominate for the pre-season draft and the Eagles will get nothing, a la Nick Stevens.

If we can gain the upperhand in the negotiations, with the threat that Judd may go into the draft, we may actually get Judd cheaply, for say a pick 4 only.

Alernatively, if Judd desperately wants to get to MFC at any cost, he could nominate for the preseason draft (where we have pick 3) and he could place $2 million on his head with a one year contract. MFC would have a side agreement with him that we would pay him $3,000,000 over the next 4 years, which would average $1 milllion a year over the 5 years. Carlton and Richmond will pass, leaving him for us to pick him up with pick 3.

Judd to Melbourne, nothing to WCE, costing us pick 3 in the pre-season draft.

This is a long shot, but best case senario.

Go Demons.

If Judd lodges terms that includes being paid $2mil in 2008 the club that selects him does not have to pay him that but the $2mil has to go against their salary cap.

[deanox 8,615]

if we can arrange contracts however so that judds is 'forward ended' next year, and the other players are 'back ended' for the following year, it could be evened out...

[Guest redandbluethruandthru]

Judd will nominate the club he wants to go to.

We must hope Judd naturally wants to come to the club he supported as a kid, the Mighty Demons.

If so, West Coast will then begin negotiations with the MFC.

Hopefully Judd tells WCE that if they don't trade him to MFC then he wll nominate for the pre-season draft and the Eagles will get nothing, a la Nick Stevens.

If we can gain the upperhand in the negotiations, with the threat that Judd may go into the draft, we may actually get Judd cheaply, for say a pick 4 only.

Alernatively, if Judd desperately wants to get to MFC at any cost, he could nominate for the preseason draft (where we have pick 3) and he could place $2 million on his head with a one year contract. MFC would have a side agreement with him that we would pay him $3,000,000 over the next 4 years, which would average $1 milllion a year over the 5 years. Carlton and Richmond will pass, leaving him for us to pick him up with pick 3.

Judd to Melbourne, nothing to WCE, costing us pick 3 in the pre-season draft.

This is a long shot, but best case senario.

Go Demons.

Get Haydo to the trade table pronto. Genius.

Also I'm willing to sell my soul to the devil if it would help (I'm already destined to go there anyways ). Aww crap I forget the devil is Collingwoods President forget the soul thing

[mick2007 0]

We could easily afford him seens Neitz will only be there another year as he would be one of our highest paid. I would give them Davey and pick 4 in return. If he is smart he would stay away from Carlton as they have past drug problems. I think he will go to either Essendon or Melbourne. Essendon will want a Hird replacement. Bull dogs list is to old and they will need a replacement for West soon. Richmond just have nothing to offer. And St Kilda would show interest now Gherig has retired. I think all clubs will offer the same money and in the end he will go to the club he wants to play for

[Diablo 1]

Surely if Melbourne are able to arrange a heavily front-end-weighted contract, then Carlton could do the same. I think Carlton have more room to move with their salary cap, allowing them to slap even more money on the table up front if it came down to a pre-season draft bid-off. Dick Pratt's money is irrelevant, by the way. All clubs operate under the same constraints.

The ONLY solution for us is trade week. I think Fergburger said it; Pick 4, Robbo, and CJ should be our initial offer. I certainly don't want to, but if we must, then change the 'C' for a 'T' to try and push it across the line.

I know we don't want to throw away half our list, but we need to remember what we're fighting for here. This is the best player in the competition. I don't want to lose anyone particulary, but short of Nathan Jones, Brocky and Rivers, nobody should be considered off-limits.

[deanox 8,615]

im up for cheating the system. our directors have to be involved in companies that can pay judd for media or advertising work. those clubs can sponsor the club for x amounts of money, which is actually a discount of $y of what the sponsorship is worth. meanwhile, they hire judd to market their products for $y. that cant be illegal, because all deals are above board. we just have to ensure he gets enough, and that it doesnt aafect his ability to earn marketing dollars elsewhere...

[Jaded No More 57,901]

im up for cheating the system. our directors have to be involved in companies that can pay judd for media or advertising work. those clubs can sponsor the club for x amounts of money, which is actually a discount of $y of what the sponsorship is worth. meanwhile, they hire judd to market their products for $y. that cant be illegal, because all deals are above board. we just have to ensure he gets enough, and that it doesnt aafect his ability to earn marketing dollars elsewhere...

If anyone knows rich property developers who happen to be Melbourne supporters, can they persuade them to contact Judd and offer him free property in the booming Melbourne market, if he signs with the Dees?

We're meant to have a rich supporter base... surely someone wants to donate something other than various body parts (nuts, left arm, kidney etc...) to help this wonderful cause?

[Springfield Isotopes 0]

If he goes to carlton, whats going to happen them in 2-3 years when murphy, gibbs and kruezer are stars and asking for big money......

wait i already know the answer they'll breach there salary cap

[deestroy08 0]

If anyone knows rich property developers who happen to be Melbourne supporters, can they persuade them to contact Judd and offer him free property in the booming Melbourne market, if he signs with the Dees?

We're meant to have a rich supporter base... surely someone wants to donate something other than various body parts (nuts, left arm, kidney etc...) to help this wonderful cause?

God, he can live at my house.

Anything for the club I mean..

[diesel 420]

If anyone knows rich property developers who happen to be Melbourne supporters, can they persuade them to contact Judd and offer him free property in the booming Melbourne market, if he signs with the Dees?

We're meant to have a rich supporter base... surely someone wants to donate something other than various body parts (nuts, left arm, kidney etc...) to help this wonderful cause?

He can have my groin since his is stuffed.

[w00dy 146]

God, he can live at my house.

Anything for the club I mean..

apart from juddy it'd be nice to have the twig around too

[Go the Biff 3,132]

It's a nice story but I think the club might have other priorities ahead of getting Judd on top of which we've been there and done that before.

But sentiment won't get him. Cold, hard cash will and we don't have enough of that. Winning against the Bulldogs and the Blues in Rounds 19 and 22 respectively did not help either.

I hope we concentrate on developing our own players, trading and recruiting wisely and building our club under the new coaching regime.

Disagree WJ. If it was all about cold, hard cash he wouldn't be leaving WA. I'd suspect he had an exit strategy planned when he signed his last contract and that the events of the last year have convinced him to implement it.

I also suspect that clubs can wave cash, players & draft picks in the Eagles face until the cows come home. Won't matter. Judd will decide where he wants to go & will tell the Eagles to strike the best deal they can.

Just hope it's us.

[Yze_Magic 3]

If he goes to carlton, whats going to happen them in 2-3 years when murphy, gibbs and kruezer are stars and asking for big money......

wait i already know the answer they'll breach there salary cap

LOL